You guys are really making me sick!

Hmmm.... 12v DC may not be dangerous to humans from an electrical point of view but very deadly to both fish and humans from an electrolysis point of view. If you have one of those tanks with a closed canopy and open it after a pump has gone faulty then you could be inhaling deadly Chlorine gas. Or your lights may ignite the H2 and O2.

But we are going round and round here just something to consider.
 
Swimming pool pumps has a buildt in diode, current can only go one direction and not reverse, wouldn't this be a solution.

A diode, sure? I know it will have a running capacitor, but never heard of a diode before. Unfortunately a diode could help in this case.


What about a simple little cuircut, A diode, Resistor and Buzzer, this will give you a warning if there is current leaking to earth?

yes and no, depending on the circuitry and buzzer used it may buzz even though the current is very low, and should you have a fault, may not be able to ground the tank well enough.

One of the ideas I'm thinking of is a ciruit that will ground the tank through a shunt with the ability of monitoring the current flow, should the current exceed a threshold it will sound an alarm and hold it until its manually reset, this way even if you have an intermitant problem it would still be picked up.
 
One of the ideas I'm thinking of is a ciruit that will ground the tank through a shunt with the ability of monitoring the current flow, should the current exceed a threshold it will sound an alarm and hold it until its manually reset, this way even if you have an intermitant problem it would still be picked up

This buzzer can just serve as a warning, not really work as a earth.

Your idea with the shunt sounds interessting, what about a little ciruit diagram?
 
Shouldent the rule of thumb be, DO NOT PUT YOUR HANDS IN YOUR TANK IF IT IS PLUGED IN???

This topic will go on forever and I am sure that there will be no agreement on this.

I personally will not put a earth prong into my tank, but have a Lightning protection plug on it.

This plug shows me, with a little LED if all the plugs, pluged into it is protected or if there is a problem.

The problem with this rule is that it doesn't prevent someone being inadvertanly electrocuted by not switching off the tank. Think wife who fishes out veggie clip from tank to give fish norrie. Kid somehow putting hands in sump.... This rule does not warn you that things have going wrong in your tank.

I would far rather see that things are starting to go pear shaped. Ive been thinking.... you don't even need a ground probe per se. Just the red lead of an ammeter connected to a ss rod in proximity of electricals, while the black lead is connected direct to earth.
 
Strange but not impossible, most meters have a amp setting. nothing saying mA, uA?

When I switch it on, I can see for a second mA in the displays corner. But I can not select Amp and the manual doesn't say Amp either. So I have to get a new one.:(
I was under the impression that all of them do Amps.
 
A diode will help on DC current not AC current. You will still get half the current flowing through it.

A diode is like a electronic check valve, so it can be used in various ways to rectify AC to DC, full wave, half wave etc. But I think what NJ is saying that if you use a diode on the earth which is AC you will still get half the waveform coming through. NJ?
 
When I switch it on, I can see for a second mA in the displays corner. But I can not select Amp and the manual doesn't say Amp either. So I have to get a new one.:(
I was under the impression that all of them do Amps.

I though so too, not a true MULTI meter then :lol:
 
Just the red lead of an ammeter connected to a ss rod in proximity of electricals, while the black lead is connected direct to earth.

In theory yes, but in reality? I think, if you have a real problem, the multimeter blows up and your ground is gone.
 
A diode is like a electronic check valve, so it can be used in various ways to rectify AC to DC, full wave, half wave etc. But I think what NJ is saying that if you use a diode on the earth which is AC you will still get half the waveform coming through. NJ?

yup
 
I'm learning a lot from this thread... thanks very much to all contributers. The problem is that EVERY SINGLE MEMBER should be reading this thread. Unfortunately it's got too long most people to wade through. Is there any way that a summarised version could be made sticky?
@Mudshark
I would have used the agreed button, but in your post is none. @viper357
Is Mudshark excluded from the agreed button tool? I wonder why?:whistling:


EVERY SINGLE MEMBER should be reading this thread
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Is there any way that a summarised version could be made sticky?

It should become a sticky already and after having a final solution, an article should be written about the solution and everybody should have the link to it in their signature.
 
@Mudshark
I would have used the agreed button, but in your post is none. @viper357
Is Mudshark excluded from the agreed button tool? I wonder why?:whistling:
:confused1:...I see the "Thanks" button(Left) and the "Thumb's Up" button(right)...:confused1:
 
Strange, now it's there. I hit the button!
I'm sure you looked at you'r own Post...:p

Guys I know nothing about all this, but have been searching to understand it in Laymens terms...:blush:..what is this...? Do we have them...? Are they called something else in SA...? Does it even work with our current...? Sorry clueless...but I read and liked the idea of the thing switching off...like a preventative measure..ignore if I'm bringing a knife to a gun fight..:blush:
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A GFCI is much more subtle. When you look at a normal 120-volt outlet in the United States, there are two vertical slots and then a round hole centered below them. The left slot is slightly larger than the right. The left slot is called "neutral," the right slot is called "hot" and the hole below them is called "ground." If an appliance is working properly, all electricity that the appliance uses will flow from hot to neutral. A GFCI monitors the amount of current flowing from hot to neutral. If there is any imbalance, it trips the circuit. It is able to sense a mismatch as small as 4 or 5 milliamps, and it can react as quickly as one-thirtieth of a second.
HowStuffWorks "How does a GFCI outlet work?"
 
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