Feeding corals

Interesting. I would run my tank sumpless for 3 hours and only use the display pumps for circulation under no lights or minimal lighting.
I wouldn't want to do it on a regular basis but a once a month feeding frenzy followed the next day by a water change sounds like a plan.
 
Wow, fantastic reading, I can't wait to get stuck into it.

I read, I think, the first three Bournman articles a while back. Very cool.

Interesting how TLF Marine snow could be seen as a Bacterial mulm producer. Ties in nicely with Zeovit products, but they already have a mulm producer with their reactor.

Its even cooler for me with my Vodka feeding as it will hopefully give the bacteria somewhere in the water column somewhere to grow so that they are more accessable as food.

The Kent stuff that Meso talks about is their older food micro vert,they have come up with a new super concentrated (ie less disilled water).

Its a three different types and sizes of Zoo and Phytoplancton ie. not plancton-substitutes, but the actual little buggers, that have been vitamin and amino etc. enriched.

You do have to be careful as the dosage is 1 drop per 50 gallons, so one is tempted to feed more.

This supposed "expert series" is worth looking at I think Ivan as it is all natural, with no odd extras added.
 
Very good reading. Thanks for the links. What is the best food to feed corals then ? I use invert banquet for my softies and limited amount of LPS. I also target feed the bubble with a little piece of hake or prawn. I like the idea of a refugium for natural feeding. In the article Here Eric Borneman mentions you can culture your own. Just a quick quote ...

One way is to purchase a plankton net, and perform plankton drags in the ocean. However, this is not an option for those without easy access to the sea - and it is not very convenient, either. Still, I have found occasion to grab a net full of plankton on trips to the beach, and the animals one finds are simply fascinating. Another way to provide food sources is to culture plankton. It is certainly possible to begin producing batch cultures of plankton and/or plankton substitutes. Culture materials are generally simple, and various algae, rotifers, Artemia nauplii, ciliates, mysids, Gammarus, etc. are readily available and easy to grow. These food sources are not only nutritious inputs for reef aquaria, but may be enriched with vitamins, minerals, trace elements, medications, antioxidants, etc., and used as biocarriers of such substances. Cultured food sources, I feel, are far more valuable in both time and expense than many of the other products and devices we operate and use.

Have any of the Durban Reefers tried the plankton net idea ? Can we even buy rotifers etc in SA ?
 
Interesting how TLF Marine snow could be seen as a Bacterial mulm producer. Ties in nicely with Zeovit products, but they already have a mulm producer with their reactor.

Its even cooler for me with my Vodka feeding as it will hopefully give the bacteria somewhere in the water column somewhere to grow so that they are more accessable as food.

I find this all so fascinating :)
Bob what is the time span / reaction time in terms of the carbon source uptake as a food source for the bacteria. I would imagine that for it to be most beneficial it's a timing thing ?
 
Fish roe is billiant food, but the size is generally to large for feeding of sps coral.
 
Anthony I at present feed Vodka once a day but going by what Zeo advises, with my new set-up I will be dosing 4 times a day as apparently the bacteria grow constantly, and benefit from smaller more regular feeding.

If combining with Reef snow i would feed the reef snow at lights out and turn off the skimmer for about five hours for the bac to build up on the snow and feed corals, when their polyps are nicely extended.

This is probably what I will do combined with other nightly SPS feeding when I have a better automated system.
 
What brand of vodka? (just something I've always wondered when discussing vodka+tanks)
 
Any old plonk will do. It seems bacteria don't have a very refined palate.

The Germans use any type of clear unflavoured spirit, Gin etc. but i think most use vodka because of it's supposed purity.
 
Any old plonk will do. It seems bacteria don't have a very refined palate.

And it works better with the " One for you and one for me " situation as opposed to vinegar :lol:

Rob what are you thoughts on the dangers of creating bacteria monocultures by dosing vodka / carbon source as food ?
 
Have any of the Durban Reefers tried the plankton net idea ? Can we even buy rotifers etc in SA ?

Hi Smithers - I have bought frozen rotifiers before from the one LFS here close to C.T. (Bothasig).... Costing R14.50 for a "plate" of frozen cubes.... I am not sure about living rotifiers though. I used to feed my corals this, until I one day decided to try another "trick". I bought one bag of "marine mix" and another bag of mussel meat from the local Pick-n-Pay. Put it in the blender for +-30 minutes (got it nice and FINE).... Then froze it in the freezer. I now scrape off/brake off small pieces and feed my corals that mixture. They absolutely seem to love it.... their polyps open up and extend like crazy during feeding, and for a short while after (until they have finished eating)......

Anyone tried this - and what would your thoughts on this be?
 
I think its important to add live bacteria (the good stuff) weekly. To hopefully prevent this from occuring.

Bob - where do you get this "good stuff" from, and what is it called?
 
Would there enough (different types of) strains in say something like Cycle to use?
 
Rob what are you thoughts on the dangers of creating bacteria monocultures by dosing vodka / carbon source as food ?

I think its important to add live bacteria (the good stuff) weekly. To hopefully prevent this from occuring.

Bob - where do you get this "good stuff" from, and what is it called?

Could we discuss this a bit more? Is there a genuine concern of creating a bacteria monoculture by dosing vodka? What products are there available to us to use in order to add additional live bacteria to our tanks?
 
why not use ceramic bioballs in a section of sump to allow bacteria proliferation?
Yes sure, bacteria will proliferate on bioballs, BUT the wrong type.

Is there a genuine concern of creating a bacteria monoculture by dosing vodka?

I would think so.

What products are there available to us to use in order to add additional live bacteria to our tanks?

Seachem stability, prodibio (not sure of name, think bioptim), zeo bacteria , and a few more...
 
::sigh:: I swear, one of these days I'm going to write a book on how to read labels and how to pick aquarium food products. Marine Snow is absolutely useless (PM me if you want to know what's actualy in it).

Anyway, personally, I use a similar recipe as in the Borneman article. I also use phytoplankton and culture bbs and rotifers. I'm not sure if the rotifers are actually doing anything, but I figure they can't hurt...
 
What products are there available to us to use in order to add additional live bacteria to our tanks?

All you need is food and surface area... different types of surface areas. Having a lot of different surfaces (and thus different niches) should ensure that you get a variety of bacteria. Sponges, carbon, rock, sand, egg crate... even disassembled plastic luffahs, all make good surface areas for bacteria.

And believe it or not, feeding your tank more (increased incrementally over time) will also increase your bacteria count. ;)

Seachem stability, prodibio (not sure of name, think bioptim), zeo bacteria , and a few more...

These MIGHT temporarily add some bacteria to your tank. BUT, here's the thing... what's going to keep them there? The lifespan of bacteria is quite short. If they don't have somewhere to live (and something to live off of), you'd practically have to constantly drip this stuff to make any kind of difference. Plus, again, we don't even know exactly what is in these things.
 
Really like the size of marine snow, but what bothers me is the 3 hour wait for bacteria to colonise it.

Um... what? Dude, 1) the micron size of the particles in marine snow (that it claims on the bottle) means pretty much nothing... put a squid in a blender on "puree" for 20min and I assure you'll get particles of all sizes, and 2) what makes you think bacteria colonize this stuff in 3 hours?...or ever? Do you know what Marine Snow is?

With my flow rates this stuff will be feeding the "mud" in my skimmercup.........
Mud... or wall paper paste (however you want to think of it).
 
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