Urgent help needed Corral Dying?

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  1. PeterAmos

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    Not sure if this posted or not sorry if it did. I have what I believe to be a frogspawn corral. It has three heads which are connected. Since I put it in the tank I've noticed one head has a brown/pinkish slime. That head is not opening, what can I do? I have only had it for a few days. The other corrals in my tank are all fine and the water parameters are all ok. I am concerned that because the heads are connected the whole thing might die?? Its had an iodine dip and the other heads do open although not as much as I would have thought, but its new in the tank.

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    Cornelj1 ''expect the unexpected''

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    Hi, well I might be new to the forum but my frogspawn did the same and from experience I just moved it around in my tank until it was happy. Mine like flow but not too much-medium flow and mine like the light well also medium light. So try to move it around and see where its happy.
     
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    Dreaded brown jelly.
    Cause still unknown, some blame cilliates, protozoams.... But the jury has been out for years.
    What is known, is that is rapidly attacks damaged corals, especially from the euphyllia family and once it starts, healty tissue of neighbouring heads are seldom spared.
    Only solution, switch off all flow, carefully siphon out as much as possible of the infected tissue and jelly, slowly remove coral from tank and cut away unaffected parts, return unaffected parts and hope, pray and hope again the rest survives.
    My comments based on your description, as the pics don't look like brown jelly infection, but more like damage>dip>death> opportunistic cyano feeding on available nutrients.
    Was the head covered in a brown jelly / glob like substance?
     
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    Didn't see any jelly on it?? As I said I've only had it since Friday. So I'm not sure if I should be doing the cut it all out thing??? What are you suggesting?
     
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    How many heads of it looks like this already? Do you have other euphyllia corals? You will need to cut the infected heads off and even then its not a sure thing the coral will make it. I had a 18 head torch coral and lost it to this disease even by cutting away the heads
     
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    I do have others and they are fine. So this head runs into the others. Its not 3 definitive separate heads, it is three heads but they are joined if you know what I mean. So I guess I need to at least remove all the bad stuff, probably syphon is all off. Don't think I can cut anything off.
     
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    Agree with Ivan here. Looks like brown jelly. After getting rid of dead parts you could do a dip in iodine.
     
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    I think @Henkie lost quite a few specimens when only one got it so thats why i removed my torch when it got it because i was afraid i might loose others as well.
     
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    Ok Guys so I will fill a bucket of water from the same tank and put him in it(same as turning off all water flow) then syphon all the infected parts, and maybe use a toothbrush dipped in the iodine dip and gently scrub the skeleton clean??? then put him back.. sound good?
     
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    Ok, so as I explained transferred to small container, dosed iodine, scrubbed infected area with brush and neat iodine (dip formula) :eek:, rest of coral stayed in the water as this was done. Bad smell! :m37:
    Transferred it all back. :skeptical:
    Now lets wait and see?? any predictions???

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    Just a crazy thought... Iodine dip indiscrimanently kills...
    Good and bad ... Coral enters tank damaged, immunoreponse weakened... Beneficial holobiont microbiota not present to help defend... Pathogen in tank... Opportunistic heaven???
    Not saing this is the case here... Just wondering... Without an exame of the jelly, cant even say for sure that it is...
    Best to just wait it out..
     
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    :54:

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    mmmmm.........

    So
    Lets have a toll here:
    1.It Works and we all have a happy ending.:biggrin:
    2.It comes back and kills the whole corral.:m37:
    3. It wipes out all the other hammer, frog sporn, elegant etc etc...:m33:
    4. It heals and all the other corrals learn and form a union and demand better water quality, less working hours and more food.


    OK I would vote on no 1. Cause there's a lota stuff in the tank now.
     
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    Havent experienced it attacking healthy corals, had it wipe out unhealthy and a head of another a few days later after a rockfall damaged it..
    If the rest are happy and healthy, chances are they can fight off the jelly.
     
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    I agree with irie ivan. If other corals are healthy they have a good chance. If you see the other heads start to get it think about taking out the coral to help minimise the risk of others getting it
     
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    :bigthumbup: Thanks to all you guys for your advice. I will keep you all posted. Watch this space.
    Its what make this forum greaaat.
     
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    It looks like jelly disease to me. You will have to do iodine dips for a few days in succession. I would not use a brush to get rid of old tissue, you might damage the healthy tissue as well. I used a turkey baster and gently blasted out all the dead tissue. Then dip it in another bucket before transferring it back into the tank just to make sure that all dead tissue that was flying around in the original bucket is off and does not land up back in the display.
     
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    Did it pull through?
     
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    Soooo, I have moved it to another tank .... but it doesn't look like its going to make it. :(
    The other heads seem to be dying off as well.
    I guess it is a lesson learnt to really check out the stuff really carefully when purchasing from the LFS. Thanks anyway guys.
     
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    Have you been doing daily iodine dips?
     
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