Whitespot - new sailfin and cleaner shrimp

Discussion in 'Quarantine Tanks, sick fish, QT corals' started by Papitto, 3 Mar 2015.

  1. Papitto

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    Hi guys,
    Got a sailfin tang, cleaner shrimp and 2 turbo grazers on Sunday. I noticed some tiny white spots on sailfin tang yesterday. Only on fins but couldn't confirm ws yet.
    I came home now and it is def ws on fins and body.
    I don't have experience with ws at all!
    I have paraguard I never used(which maybe I should have used with drip acclimated the fish)

    What should I do??? I don't have QT tank running. I have buckets, heater, pumps spare though. Please help
     
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    Ok I will try and be as diplimatic and to the point as i can. Please try and understand what I am hearing you ask.

    You have a fish that has white spots on the fins and body and you have identified it as "ws" "def"
    You also admit that you have on experience with "ws"

    To me there are many different possibilities to diagnosis. Not all white spots on fins and body are successfully treatable by the same medication or method. And not all are "WS" C Irritans.

    Example: C irritans can be treated with copper but Brooklynella cannot.

    You will most likely get many different recommendations for methods and medication. All will be a hit and miss recommendation without an accurate disease/parasite ID.
     
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    If you can, try and get a nice quality video of the fish, with focus on the fish, and that can help diagnosis if you can't get a clear photo of the fish currently.
     
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    Sorry for the phone pics. Not very clear.

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    Whitespot will look like fine specs of sand on the fish. Their maximum size is a quarter of a millimeter. Very small indeed. And OK, that could differ slightly by different strains, but what is a few microns when you as human can only see the end of the cycle.

    Another day or two, and the fish will be "healthy"
    No more spots on the fish. Woop Woop....

    But do not be bluffed. They just dropped off due to the end of their parasitic life stage. And they will hatch from about 7 days. Your system is most likely already infected. Meaning, some did already drop off, no point in removing the fish now in the hope that the system is still clean.

    Get a quarantine tank. You got 7 days max. Bucket threat ALL the fish as soon as possible. Then place the fish in the quarantine for another 4 to 5 weeks. Push your display temperature up to 28 while it is fish-less. Do not worry about inverts, they are not whitespot hosts.

    Further bed time reading
    Whitespot: Know your enemy - Marine Aquariums South Africa
    Bucket Method Quarantine - Marine Aquariums South Africa
    Oh, maybe now you will have a sleepless night... sorry.
     
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    Can anyone positively ID the deases on the sailfin pictured above, the crazy thing is i have exactly the same issue with my sailfin. after reading this tread I had put the tang in its own 3 foot tank QT and treated with Cuprazin not sure if this is correct. but was recommended buy the local pet shop.

    A questions? the fish has just started showing signs and blemishes on its fins last night and has been in my reef tank for more than and week and looked perfectly healthy. The fish was removed first thing this morning. have I caught it earlier enough not to effect the rest of the fish in my main tank?
    If not how soon while the other fish start showing signs of being sick?

    I personally
    don't think its Ich and more a fungal deeses or infection, maybe i am being paranoid.

    Im no expert
     
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    LOL! I'm really stressing about my sailfin and the rest of the tank
     
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    Can you positively ID it as whitespot?
    Are the spots the right size?
    Is it scratching up against things?
     
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    I can't be 100% sure but I think it is cos I use to keep cichlids (yes I know it's very different to marine).
    He's still eating brine and formula one with spirulina. Haven't seen him scratching but he is doing the twitching thing.
     
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    I'm sure what is on that sailfin is whitespot.
     
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    i have seen white spot on other fish before, yes my tang was scatching last night
     
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    Sorry Im jumping on the tread here we are talking about two fish same species different ppl,
     
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    For me if i look at those pic's it looks more like Amyloodinoisis (Oodinium) than C Irritans. C Irritans have more pronounced "spots" and less of "smudges" on the fins. Difficult to tell from those pic's though.

    So lets look at the possibilities....

    Amyloodinoisis ("Oodinium" comon name coral fish disease)
    Cryptocaryon irritans (White spot or marine ich)
    Brooklynella hostilis
    Sporozoans

    I do not have pics depicting the difference from a visual point of view. I have reference books.

    Might be a good idea if someone would be kind enough to post pics of all these diseases in a row indicating the ID. @RiaanP
     
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    And a Diphreutus in a bad state.

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