which phosphate remover would you suggest?

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  1. flamming angel

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    Hey all

    I am getting a phosphate reactor (two fishies) and would like to know what media type you use and what would you recommend. I will also be adding carbon. All advice will be appreciated. So please let me know what you use etc.

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    bite the bullet and get Rowaphos
     
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    I've only ever used 2 types of phosphate media, the one was Phosban and the other was Phosguard, I preferred the Phosguard purely because it is little balls which seemed to allow better flow of water through it, unlike the granular one which I found tended to break down into much smaller particles due to the tumbling action and it ended up like a layer of silt in the top of the reactor, not a major problem though, more of a personal preference than anything else. I have no idea which one worked better though, I would imagine all of the top name brands would work just as well as the next one.

    If you're planning on running carbon as well, then why not look at the Seachem Seagel, it is a mix of carbon and phosguard in the same bottle. I also used to run that in a Phosban 150 reactor.
     
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    thanks for the response

    I will have a look into Seagel, mite just run that instead :)
     
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    Just did some research... will the seagel be okay to use in the reactor? they mentioned on the seachem site that it should be used in a filter bag.
     
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    ummmmm, well I used it in a reactor, maybe I should of read the instructions first, lol. I honestly don't know if it would make any difference, I did turn the flow down quite a bit though so as to prevent the media from tumbling as I thought the carbon would grind to dust pretty quickly. Seemed to work ok for me, I used to just give the reactor a bit of a shake every now and again to prevent channelling, I'm certainly no expert though. In hindsight, it is probably better to run carbon and po4 remover separately, I'm just lazy so the combined media looked great.:p
     
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    no worries man i shall give it a try n see how it goes.thanks
     
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    I might be wrong..but i thought the aluminium based phosphate removers like phosgaurd and extraphos, tend to break up if they put in a reactor?
     
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    My phosguard never broke up, but then the flow wasn't very strong through the reactor, I had it turned down so that only the top 1cm of media was tumbling.
     
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    I also cant see why they would break up if the flow is very little.
    I run mine in a filter bag, think i should try it in a reactor.
     
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    okay alot of info im gona have to play around with the flow n see
     
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    There's also Tunze Carbophos, which is a mixture of Carbon and Phosphate remover, forgot I had used that one as well.
    I honestly don't know which method would be better. Maybe there's an article on this somewhere.
     
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    I use Orca Phos which is also the bead type. Works very nicely in terms of flow. The key is getting the right flow in the reactor
     
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    u can use it in a reactor as i used to run it in a reactor but make sure the flow is ultra slow, so slow u must not see the beads move at all.
     
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    Why must it not tumble if its beads, it would work better tumbling....
     
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    Which one are you refering to the seagel?
     
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    You want it moving around as much but not grinding. If using beads as much flow as u want is fine cuz they cant degrade
     
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    Gents its all aluminum based phos removers, Brightwells, seachem or Kents they all the same(look,smell,feel). u dont want it moving at all. its aluminum beads if they rub against each other they will break and you will have issues with your softies. do a google search on them and you will see.
     
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    A bead type like orca is synthetic and cant disintegrate. It looks like DI resin beads. If you are talking about GFO type media then yes it should not tumble much
     
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    GFO = granular ferric oxide - Rowaphose, phosban - needs to have a slight tumble to work properly

    All aluminum based phos removers - white bead type - Seagel, extraxphos, etc do not tumble move at all.

    Synthetic phos remover i have no experience will not comment
     
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