Urgent help needed What is wrong here??

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  1. shaun777

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    Hi guys

    I have lost quite a few fish and the pic shows a bicolor I have that has this problem. The scales look like they are "missing" near the tail and colour has faded. Fins also as scraggy for want of a better word...

    Any help will be appreciated.

    Thanks.

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    leslie hempel Moderator MASA Contributor

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    just some background, the ph was found to be very low, 7.6 so shaun has increased it to stabalise it. he has lost a number of new and old fish but new fish (emperor, regal ) were added the other day approx 2 weeks ago..

    from what i can see this is a secondary infection (finrott) but we are unsure of the initial cause..
    @shaun777 perhaps post your water values that were tested
     
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    How's your nitrite levels?
     
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    pH - 8,2 now - was 7,6 about a week ago and all other parameters were same as below.
    Alk - 7
    Nitrite and Ammonia - 0
    Nitrate - 15
    Not sure what else. Tested using new Red Sea test kit so kit isn't outdated.
     
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    Any predators in the tank?
     
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    No I don't have any. Only cleaner shrimps
     
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    Pulling my hair out here...
     
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    personally from our discussions i think its fish that have been put under stress resulting in disease and it has escilated to a secondary infection such as fungus and finrott.

    what you can do is take the effected fish out of the tank and place in a bucket and make use of the following:

    bucket quarantine method

    this way you can treat the fish with copper based medications to eradicate the infection, it is advisable to have a biological filter attached to the bucket to continue to keep ammonia and nitrite levels to 0
     
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    Thanks Les. Thats a good idea. Going to read up on the bucket quarantine method now
     
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    i reckon the only way to save that fish is to dose him with a copper based medicine...
     
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    IMO Two posabilites.
    1) Bacterial infection. If you are treating with a Nifurpirinol based medication and there is no improvement then there is a primary parasite causing the secondary bacterial infection

    OR
    2) Uronema marinum, in this case you should be looking at saving non infected fish. Myxazin is a good medication choice here. Infected fish are extremely difficult to cure and death is imminent.
     
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    Thanks NJ. Not too sure what all that means but thats what google is for so i'll do a search on it.
     
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    shaun this is basically your last fish?

    only shrimps left?
     
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    If that is the case and the entire tank has been wiped out i would definitely lean towards Uronema marinum. It is recommended to then sterilize the tank before new inhabitants added.

    Uronema is easily seen under a microscope. A very fast oval parasite. If possible get the fish to someone with a microscope and do a scraping of the infected fish to confirm.
     
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    Yes Les. That's correct. And they seem fine. And the mushrooms and frogspawn.

    NJ...how do I sterilize the tank? And how could this parasite have ended up in my tank? Could it only have been brought in by another fish?
     
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    i think its been introduced with a new purchase, better check with jonty on his fish...
     
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    I did ask him...and he seems to be losing too. with the same problems. so surely must be the awesome fish we got :censored:
     
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    The steralization process is basicaly a bleach everything and start over. That is why I recommend checking with a microscope first.

    The cause of this paicite to thrive is transportation under extreamly poor conditions. Ammonia and low pH are causes. The paracite "lives off" starts under these poor conditions by eating the dead and dieing tissue, then multiplys very quickly spreading to healthy fish. These parasites bore into the fish and cause irrepairable damage. It is very easily transferable from fish to fish.
     
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    quarantine is the way to go bud....
     
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    Hi guys...thx for the help. Sounds like that is the problem. But where do I get that Myxazin...the LFS here doesn't even stock vitamins nevermind that kind of thing...
     
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