Upright Sump ? new tank but no space for sump

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  1. Black Ghost

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    im building a new tank and starting off in aqua land
    tanks size L: 1m
    H: 890mm
    W: 300mm with 45 degree cut taking rest to 350mm

    looks like this
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    it started off as a venture for tropical fish
    but marine caught my eye
    i then decided that i want marine fish esp since my wife loves them too
    its +-304L tank
    i havent done anything yet
    no equipment etc
    i want help as i am lost with hearing tellin me to take this and that
    also i need to build a sump

    im curious can i have an overhead sump ill take a pic of my unit to explain

    I DUNNO IF I LOADED THE PIC PROPERLY???

    well the yellow parts is where i can build the sump?

    how do i go about building an upright sump above the fishtank
    its hidden its still in cupboard
    i have +- W: 300mm H:600mm L:300mm

    any info will be alot of help

    thx guys
     
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    Here is Your pic BlackGhost



    Yes you can have an upstream sump but will take a slightly different aproach will do a drawing tonight.
     
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    Welcome Black Ghost.
    Overhead sump /refugium is preferred. However if tucked away in a cupboard, humidity and heat would be a concern.
     
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    welcometomasa Black Ghost.
    Is it possible to make the front to back dimension of the tank wider. At 350mm you will be very limited with space as far as aquascaping goes. I would rather make it slightly shallower and double the front to back dimensions if you can.
     
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    Oops. Hills correct. 30cm is very narrow, and 89cm is very deep and difficult to light adequately.
     
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    Black ghost here is what it will look like, although possible, have a look at Bretts tank - Marine Aquariums of South Africa

    But double the width and less high in your case will make a much nicer tank, however I have no idea what space you have
     
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    Thanks Guys

    unfortunately i cant make it bigger or smaller
    i am though stuck with what i have
    how can i go about making a good setup ?

    can someone point me in he right direction

    it was intentionally made for tropical

    but i got hooked on marine:thumbup:

    thanks for all your help

    looking forward to pic that explains how

    thx guys
     
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    if heat n humidity is problem im really goona be messed up

    seriously guys i think im lost

    yip that is what it looks like

    what kind of lights should be used

    is it pref to used specific or can i go about using any lights?

    if lighting is a prob i can work around it by lighting up the sides as i only have a frontal view

    on aquascaping side i was thinking much dif but ill have to get the equipment though

    what bout refugium?
     
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    Hi Black Ghosy. Welcome to MASA!
    Viper will give a drawing.
    With a sump ABOVE the tank you will have a power-head in the tank pumping water to the sump, and have a gravity feed back to the tank. Your tank is a bit high, but a metal halide will supply enough light.

    You can build a live rock stand and attach the live rock to each other and to the stand. As such you will have a live rock tower. Which should be fine. Then it's just a case of having a power-head below the rock to "clean" this area of detritus, and another two power-heads to supply water-flow in the tank. Then you are sorted
     
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    OK if thats what you have lets see what we can do :thumbup:

    We can help with extractor fans etc so is not the end yet;)





    Lighting needs to be T5 or Metal Halide for that depth (T5 would be my go)

    More light demanding corals at the top, less at the bottom.


    Upstream sump can be done no sweat
     
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    Hope this makes some sense, red is back to the sump

    Blue is from the sump to the tank

    So entirely possible:thumbup:
     
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    2 sumps ?

    jus another curios question ?

    if the space i have for the sump is too small

    can there be two sumps?

    one on either side exact size etc?


    what wud i need for this?

    thx

    ill be patiant for pic
     
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    reply Kanga

    just for instance if i have this setup
    instead of it being in side cupboard(exactly same size)

    what wud happen without power
    on the main tank do i have to leave enough room for sumps water because i wud imagine that if the pump stops all water that norm circulates thru the two will now empty into main tank?
     
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    what you need to do is drill small holes (5mm) below the water line of the sump tank pipes, these will act as syphon breaks to stop the lower tank overflowing in case of power failure.
     
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