true and false clowns

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  1. squire

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    hi guys, i don't mean to sound stoopid, but can anyone please tell me what is the difference and how do you tell the difference between true and false clowns?
     
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    jacquesb Retired Moderator

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    Hi Squire - the true percula clown has a far more pronounced ellipse in the center white stripe, and also has far more clearly defined white/black stripes, compared to the occelaris clown.

    Here's some pics:
    True Percula:
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    False/occelaris clown:
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    thanks jacques, much appreciated ... 1 more question though,

    i currently have a pair of orange false clowns and i am thinking of getting a pair of black true clowns. the question is can i house a pair of orange clowns together with a pair of black clowns in the same tank?
     
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    How big is your tank, Squire? It all depends on tank realty.

    If your tank is smaller than a 1.2 or 1.5 meter, I would say NO. They would kill each other due to territoriality..... Otherwise - it should be OK.
     
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    JB i think those pictures dont quite show the difference very well. But the percula has quite a 'thick' black band around the white. More pronounced as was said. But you really have to have the two types together to tell properly.
     
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    I disagree a bit though Jacques, ive housed 7 A. Perculas(true percula) and 4 ocellaris(false percula) clows before in my 200L together and theyre very peaceful, its just the biggest female that gets nippy, only letting the 2nd biggest male near the nennie, the other just hang around and usually sleep with the main pair at night in Mr Malu, mixing other species of clown though would be a bit.....:( especially tomato clowns as they are always angry and have big chompers:mad:, its funny to watch the load of perculas swimming around :p
     
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    LOL - Deadmeat - I have ALWAYS (the past 6 years) kept multiple types of clown-fish, and different species of clowns, together.... ;)

    I have seen my sebae clown kill my clarkii clown, and my tomato clown kill my sebae - after we moved house.......
     
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    yea but peculas and ocellaris are ok right? :( they are nearly the same :)
     
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    LOL - yeah. I think that they SHOULD be ok. As long as there's not more than one female.... if the new black clowns are small, then they would be either sexless, or sub-ordinate males.... meaning that the dominant female won't do anything (kill the others)....
     
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    I dont like clown violence :(
     
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    hi jacques,

    my current tank is 1.8m long, 60cm wide and 80cm high ... what do you think?
     
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    Squire - that would be more than fine. Also - just as long as you don't get a black clown which is already an adult dominant female.

    Are the black clowns still small?
     
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    It is not a problem to host ocellaris and percula in a tank like yours. Remember, clowns usually choose one corner of a tank as their territory, not the middle of the tank. If you want to keep nennies, put one in the first 50 cm of the tank to the left, and one to the right.
    You mentioned you want to get a pair black percs. Whatever that will be, because percs are not black. Do you mean maybe black and whites?

    The difference between ocellaris and percula is defined by their number of dorsal spines. Percs got 10 and ocellaris 11 spines. But even this is not 100%, because sometimes there are ocellaris with only 10 spines.
    The black and white clown from Darwin are still not clearly identified. You will find them on the internet as black and white percs or black and white ocellaris.
    Actually it does not really matter. As long as the fish is good looking and healthy.
     
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    the black ones are smallish, but my orange ones are medium in size, probably around 7cms, and have a tendency to nip at my other inhabitants of a similar size
     
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    Hi luckyfish, sorry, yup i meant black and whites.

    the other thing that i am slightly concerned is that my current orange and whites consider the whole tank to be their territory, i.e. they roam around the whole tank freely and not centered soley around 1 particular area.
     
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    I reckon your ocellaris pair is still young. Once they reach maturity and your water parameter, food, etc. is right, they will settle for one corner and laying eggs.
    There is no problem to add a pair of black and whites.
    The only problem you might get is, that they will pair up in the different way.
    B+W and orange. I actually like the colour mix. So lets see what happen.
     
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    i think it would be rather interesting to see the outcome if they do indeed mix pair up ... has this happened to anyone else before?
     
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    Many times worldwide. When I am
    online via laptop I must post a picture. It looks stunning, B+W and orange in a nennie.
     
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    Here it is:

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