Treating white spot with Paraguard

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  1. Fafmel

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    Hi all,

    SO we had a WS outbreak and I moved all my fishies to a hospital tank and started dosing Paraguard on a daily basis.

    After about 4 days all was going well and I visually could not see any WS on any of the fish, however this morning, day 9, they are all showing spots again and it seems me little Regal is not going to make it.

    Should I continue with the Paraguard or go another route?

    Thanks
     
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    I would say continue for now as this from @RiaanP shows that WS has cycles and you will have to medicate till the cycles are completed and hopefully WS is removed...
    Bucket Method Quarantine - Marine Aquariums of South Africa

    Some info...
    Marine Ich/Cryptocaryon irritans - A Discussion of this Parasite and the Treatment Options Available, Part I by Steven Pro - Reefkeeping.com
    Marine Ich/Cryptocaryon irritans - A Discussion of this Parasite and the Treatment Options Available, Part II by Steven Pro - Reefkeeping.com
     
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    There are 3 staged to WS; Only the one stage can you see, this is the stage where you see the white speks on the fish. The other 2 are the free swimming stage of the lava and the stage where they are in your substrate. depending on your water temp this takes between 7 and 14 days; the warmer the water the quicker the cycle takes.
    You can only treat one of the stages, I think it is the free swimming stage.
    In other words when you think your fish is clear of WS it is still there but in a stage that you cannot see. Can you syphon your Q/T tank bottom daily with out stressing the fish to much? If you can move the fish to a different container daily it would help greatly.
    If you are treating, keep treating for about 2 weeks or longer. If someone else can add to this or correct me please do.
     
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    Sorry I took a long time to finish my reply. That is explained much better. Sorry I was thinking of stage 2 and 3 as one stage. WRONG. sorry.:blush:
     
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    Thanks @belindamotion,

    I read the bucket method and was hoping for an easier alternative.

    Will give it more time though, I was just concermed that the fish seem to have been re-infected, as per the life-cycle the tomites and theronts seem to have survived the Paraguard dosing?
     
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    yes
     
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    Do I then assume that the Paraguard is ineffective and move on to something like hypo or Copper?
     
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    Since you have a hospital tank, just treat with Cupramine.
     
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    Seachem. Cupramine
     
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    @Lord_Blackadder,

    If I use Cupramine in my HT can I use it afterwards for coral quaranteen?

    This was my main reason for going with Paraguard in the first place as I was told the Copper would remain and the tank would be fatal to corals after?
     
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    just rotate the fish between 2 tanks/containers every 2nd day for 10days.
    clean each empty tank/container after every move.
     
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    Copper can be partially absorbed by live rock and possibly aragonite substrate. If you have silica substrate and no rock then it'll be fine. PVC pipes are a better option for hospital tanks anyway.

    You can run carbon to remove the copper from the water itself, so that won't be a problem.
     
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    Thanks for your input,

    I think I will change to Cupramine.

    Can I start using the Cupramine in the morning if I run carbon overnight to remove all the Paraguard?

    I last dosed Paraguard this morning.
     
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    yes re-infection, sorry for late response.
    I do not use any medicine to treat for whitespot. The time frame in the free swimming stage is sooooo small to be really effective (my opinion).
    Only bucket method works. Must remove the fish from the infected environment, or remove the infected environment from the fish. That is the only sure method.
     
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    Thanks @RiaanP,

    I am going to try Cupramine and if I see a re-infexction again I will do the bucket method.

    I am trying to avoid it due to being a schlep.

    What would the shopping list look like if I was going to get everything needed to do your buchet method?

    I have to deal with:
    2 x Medium sized Yellow Tangs
    1 X Small Regal Tang (If he made it through the day)
    2 x Snowflake Clowns
    1 x Sandsifting gobie

    Thanks
     
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    How big is your tank?
     
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    I am planning to stock a 1.5m and a Red Sea Max 250.

    The hospital tank is 105 litre.
    @Nemos Janitor
     
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    The sand sifting gobie is difficult to do the bucket method with. Can do, but they loose a lot of weight. Your fish should not go back into your main system for at least 6 weeks since you take them out.

    After the bucket method, the fish should go into your holding tank. You can start to prepare the holding tank, add clean new substrate in a flat lunch box. So your gobie can sift something. Do not take the substrate from your main system.
     
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