Tank weight

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  1. Junz

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    Hi guys,


    i need a lil advice, im moving into a flat thats on the 2nd floor, i dont know anything about the flat apart from the fact that its a duplex, my question is will a 4ft tank and sump with all the bell & whistles be too heavy for the flat.

    i think in total my tank with everything connected will weigh in at about 350-450KG

    thanks
    Junz
     
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  3. dallasg

    dallasg Moderator MASA Contributor

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    should be fine on a concrete floor slab, hennie should know
     
  4. Warr7207

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    Shouldn't be a problem at that sort of load bearing.

    Start worrying with 1000L and bigger tanks
     
  5. Junz

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    you mean shouldnt be a problem ?
     
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    you mean shouldnt:p yes you should be ok
     
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    haha same time
     
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    Sorry guys, my grasp of this weird language ain't so lekker
     
  9. Junz

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    as long as we can understand you 90% of the time then its ok:lol:


    thanks the support cheers for now
     
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    Well, I'm no structural engineer, and thus cannot give you a definitive answer, but that's the weight of 4-5 large people standing close together - if the flat's floor cannot handle that load then you better not have any parties there :whistling:

    Do consider the "point load" though: If your tank stand is (say) 38mm x 38mm square tubing, then the weight would create quite a large point load - still way below the compression strength of even weak concrete (so still safe on a concrete floor), but getting dangerous if the load should be on a wooden floor. If this is the case then it would be a good idea to add (say) 150mm x 150mm x 10mm steel plates below the feet of the tank, to distribute the load over a larger area.

    Hennie
     
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    Aslong as the floor is a concrete slab then no problem. Wooden floors could be another story with the pressure points on the stand of the tank.
     
  12. Junz

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    whats the biggest in terms of tank size with a sump can i go ?
    im thinking of upgrading to a 6ft with a 4ft sump ... will this be a problem ?
     
  13. Junz

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    im thinking 1800x600x600 Display = 650 Ltrs
    1200x450x450 Sump = 243 ltrs

    total KG is 893

    someone please get a structural engineer on this forum :)
     
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    Well, perhaps you should answer the unasked question: "is the floor concrete or wood"?

    Secondly, you need to give us an idea of where the tank will be standing - there is quite a difference in load-bearing capacity between a position close to (say) two load-bearing walls and that of an cantilever (overhanging) balcony, with no supporting walls below it... and the floor close to e.g. a concrete lift shaft will be even stronger. Also, is this a multi-story building - in other words, if this is (say) a 20 story high-rise the chances are good that the floor will be strong enough...

    If this building is reasonably new you should be able to find out who the structural engineer was that designed the floor slab (ask the owner...) - your safest bet will be to talk to this engineer.

    Hennie
     
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    ah... its a concrete floor and it has a balcony but i think there is a center wall under the balcony that separates the flat, im thinking of putting it against a corner wall for maximum support


    nah the building is about 10Years old now, not sure where to begging looking for the engineers
     
  16. speedz

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    Hi guys

    Im in the same dilema as junz. Im getting a 4ft tank and i live on the third floor of a 4 story building that is about 20-30 years old and i think it is concrete(really dont know who constructed this building).

    The tank is 10mm glass and pretty standard dimensions in terms of length and width for a 4ft. Althoug it is a little high. The stand has 6 legs made of square tubing if im not mistaken.
    so this is my question(s)


    1> what is the weight of the tank roughly?
    2> the flat below has a balcony is that a problem if i put the tank say 5-6meters away from there, next to a column in my flat
    3> what precautions can i take?


    please guys, this means the difference between me putting a 4ft in this flat because im paranoid about the tank being to heavy and something hectic happens


    thanks in advance!
     
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    i forgot to add that it will only be 4ft and a 2ft underneath nb. 2ft is not a sump. I was thinking of placing something under the legs to spread the pressure

    Please guys any input will be valued
     
  18. Travis1

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    howsit man. it should be sufficient. concrete will be able to take it, not certain bout this, but im sure meks had a 6 foot tank, 1.8m on the 11 floor of flats. will be fine. but now here lies the problem. whats on the floor over the concrete? is it the plane concrete, or is it tiled?
     
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    Hey Speedz, it should be fine hey. Yip Travis is correct, I have a 1100L tank on the eleventh floor. I placed my tank close to the supporting beams as this it the most solid area I could find.
     
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    shot meks, one question, how much weight can tiles take? will it be able to support the whole load of bout 500kg's? coz some tiles can be hollow, and then this would cause a serious problem then?
     
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    Hi Travis. My tank sits on tiles, but my tiles are well fixed, ie. No empty spaces under the tiles. If you notice hollow spots, stay away from that.
     
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