Tank size

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  1. blackghostknife

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    HI Guys

    In the past 2 weeks, I have almost bought a Tank and then something happens to prevent me buying it, like the last on where I was going to buy 1.2m tank and on the day I wanted to pay the TAX man send me a great email saying I owe R2000,:censored: anyway enough of that crap, I was told from a friend who gave up a marine tank years ago, If I want to start a marine tank I must, buy a big tank, anything from 1.2m and up, he said its easier to maintain? Is this true!

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  3. Q89

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    Yes, it is true, the bigger the tank is the more stable the water will be.;)
     
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    Thank you Q89, but does that not mean more expenses at the end of each month? :baffled:
     
  5. Xereo

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    Bigger is always better :) but you must also think about getting a tank thats not to narrow and to high... a 1200x600 wide or 800 x 600 high is a good start :) awesome for scaping :)
     
  6. Tony Ingram

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    Most defiantly. Think about it this way if you drop a glass of red wine into a 5l bucket the wine concentration will be really high. but if you drop the same glass of red wine in a 1000l tank the concentration will hardly be noticed. bigger tanks are much more stable when it comes to temp and other water parameters.
     
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    Ok so what would be the best dimensions to go for, for a beginner like myself, if there is such a thing, cause I guess you will always want to go bigger eventually
     
  8. Xereo

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    Well i started small and it was terrible.

    1.2x 800x 600 is perfect for me.. im loving it. and i have no need to go bigger...

    and if i did ever go bigger i would go 1.2x1.2x 600

    1.2 is long enough :)
     
  9. pXius

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    Depends on how much you can spend.

    Remember, bigger tank, more expensive equipment because you need more lights, more filtration power etc.

    I've found 1,5M long tanks to be a nice sweet spot. Large volume, equipment is easier to find than 1.8M and a whole lot cheaper.

    1.2 is great but you'll probably go bigger anyway.

    Most guys enjoy at least 60cm wide to have some scaping space and no higher than 60cm either. The reason being that it gets hard to work in the tank if it gets deeper and lights need to penetrate more water.

    If your pocket allows it I'd say 150cm X 60 X 60. But thats me.

    Bigger will always be more fun but keep in mind that a bigger tank increases ALL other expenses.
     
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    Or something square like Xereo recommends will be great as well. I just find it hard to place a square tank in my home so I prefer the old school rectangle.
     
  11. Irma

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    My tank is 1.5 x 700 x 550 and it's a great size. Just perfect for me. I can have a decent amount of fish and corals and it's not too difficult to keep the water params stable. Yes, the cost of maintaining is higher than smaller tanks so it is a point to consider.

    You are welcome to come and see my tank if it will help!

    Also you need to decide which kinds of fish you would like to keep. If you want tangs then the tank needs to be a decent size. If you only want a few small fish, then you can get away with a smaller tank.
     
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  12. Tony Ingram

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    Well I started with a 50l nano not a great Idea it gave me endless heart break lost loads of fish in the end it almost made me give up on having a marine tank. I then got myself a 1.2* .500*.600 tank with sump with a total water volume of 350l. This tank has gone from strength to strength and is now a sps dominated tank. So i would say a tank of about 300l-450l total water volume is a good start.
     
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    rather go bigger from the start then you will save you some cash in the long run, because you will end up going bigger.
     
  14. crispin

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    i wrote this years ago but others beggining in the hobby have found it useful too...

    go big or go home I say:)

    I re-read some of the old posts I did a while ago. Just to see where my understandings had got to from when I started, kind of see if I could answer the same questions I asked when I started. The learning curve has been vertical. Not rapid just simply straight up and six weeks in there is no slowing down, just a change in topics. And I would say the I was and am relatively experienced in the management of recalculating systems, be it fresh water tanks, breeding rare tropical fresh water fish or ponds and huge wetland systems.

    In very brief summary of the primary things I asked to begin and what I was generally told.


    • New system or old? Answer go new as its then “your build” and you get what you want, you learn on the way and you are not in inheriting other peoples mistakes. I agree 80% there, I think perhaps getting an old system would have got me into the husbandry aspects quicker (the water changes, water quality, cleaning skimmers etc etc) and I would have a show piece in my house already. Also I would not have to cycle for 6 weeks. But that counts for 20% all of which I will catch up soon. In short definitely get a new tank for yourself
    • Bigger is better??? This was a HUGE question for me. Yes I want size, I wanted the forgiveness on my own mistakes which I knew I will make. Note WILL make as they are still coming and always will be, don’t fool yourself that research will save u from these! I subscribe fully to the saying “pollution solution through dilution.” The principles are sound and make sense to me. But bigger costs. And costs LOTS. Everyone says Marines are expensive, everyone tries to save costs. I set a budget and blew it on the tank and skimmer alone! Size counts, go as big as u can to start, go smaller when u know what’s going on. I would hate to start on a Nano and have to be so precise without having the experience.
    • Second hand or new equipment? This has HUGE cost implications and big risk factors. I was very lucky. Very very lucky and I will always be in MASA”S dept for having members like “Likesfish” and in him I found honest good quality second hand equipment, but best of all honesty. I state again I was lucky. I placed myself in his hands and said this is my budget what can we do. Also Likesfish had good quality equipment, and fairly new. If it was not quality equipment or had been over a few years old I would rather have gone new, even at double the cost. Also asking others ‘what do think of the cost of this for that” type questions on a open public display is invaluable. If you are starting and not certain (as in 1000%) know what u want and are getting…..ASK!
    • A Little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing! Ok so I have a tank, I have the basic equipment and I even managed to get the tank level. I knew what I want to achieve with respect to showing the tank etc and was now ready to full it. I read about RO, TDS, NSW and so on. Read about it but didn’t understand it. You never do until you experience it. Then information is converted by experience into knowledge. That step is KEY. I got second had live rock from a guy breaking down. I waited for that. Waited to find a BIG system, heavy stocking density. With lots of people wanting the Live Stock. Why look for a system like that? It showed an experienced reefer. It showed a guy who cared. And I wanted that. Because if his system is good, his LR is BETTER. Good biological filtration is key to good water parameters. And yes I am stressing that there should be thought around these things. I got the LR and dropped it into my tank, sat back and stopped thinking. I knew roughly what should happen and I didn’t pay careful close attention to settling it down. I didn’t even work out which side of the LR should be up or down and so on. A little bit of knowledge lead me to trouble. Its not a little you need its LOTS. Its not information that counts, its your knowledge!
    • I got smacked! I went away leaving an immature system unattended. SO many people say don’t. Tap water was used for top up and by the time I came back I could not see into the tank. Algae bloomed from hell! But it taught me a very good lesson. If you make mistakes nature WILL show you. If you do things right nature WILL show you. Read your tank! Look at the parameters, look at the inhabitants, look at the system. The aesthetics pf how it looks etc is only important from a human vanity aspect. Its what is INSIDE that counts. I was almost depressed at the state of my tank. I really was. A lot of work and effort has gone into it and 4weeks later I am hitting problems people say take YEARS to fix. But onto forums, follow advice and DO IT! So many people know they should do water changes. So many people know they have to acclimatize, yet so often we hear of things murdered due to human impatient! That’s a waist of life, and that is sacrilege.
    • this is voluntary, it should be fun! This is the one aspect I have battled with a little, especially when I hit algae so hard. But then I sat back, looked at my tank and realized that there are some many millions of things of interest in it. Be it from a bristle worm suddenly popping out, or the fact that I try count copepods to see the state of the living community. 4 weeks of having LR in my system and I play a nightly game of finding a new living organism that wasn’t there the day before. Or more to the point WAS there, I just missed it. It keeps my interest, increases the fun and really gives me great satisfaction.
     
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    Big + 1!!!
     
  16. blackghostknife

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    HI Crispin

    Man, this was so useful, really! thank you buddy!

    Massive +1
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    152cmL x82cmW x55cmH :thumbup:
     
  18. Tremayn

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    std 4ft with 3ft sump, TS2 skimmer is like the standard set up.. Tried and tested. Pretty cheap. Establish a budget first
     
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    Well, I started out with a 1.2, TS1, 3 ft sump, etc..... Then upgraded to a TS2. I was quite happy until I sourced a 2m tank which is undergoing some major enhancements before it goes into use.

    Some of my fellow reefer guru friends find that all us newbies start wanting big, but the true reefer challenge is going small. This is obvious because its hard to keep the critters alive in a small system. Im perfectly happy with my 1.2 and its got some awesome growth, corals all open, no issues, etc.... In my inexperienced opinion, its an ideal size to start with.... Where I have a problem is that it sustains itself now, there is very little husbandry needed to maintain it. The secret to my success I bring down to the help you get on this forum, the stability of the system with auto top up at the top of my list of necessary evils, lots of live rock, and no overpopulating the tank with too many fish (very very hard to do).

    My needs differ to many others, and I enjoy the interaction and husbandry I have to do daily to maintain this system, unfortunately, now its getting boring cause everything is running smoothly and it needs relatively little hands on....so Im going BIG... 2m x 700x 800 deep which = 1000 litres...

    So depending on what your needs are, the one thing that is necessary is width.... If my 2m were 1m wide it would make all the difference in the world. But space, equipment needed, running costs would far exceed my available cash.....
     
  20. crispin

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    my pleasure fella, more than happy to help from what ive learned:)

    ps.....see that little thanks button below my avatare, hit that and thank me that way :)
     
  21. williet

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    A TS1 is a minimum for a 4ft. It all depends on what you are wanting to keep eg. Corals and amount of Livestock

    I used a TS1 and it was excellent!
     
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