Sump set up assistance

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  1. aquamann

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    Hi Guys,

    I'm trying to set up my sump i just don't know how to place the equipments.
    I need details on how to set up the sump, plumbing and equipments placing.
    specifically i need details on how to position the return pump and plumbing, protein skimmer plumbing, UV sterilizer placement together with the arragement of live rock and Dsb.

    All inputs are highly appreciated, photos will be of extra help.
     
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  3. Dale6

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    skimmer dsb and lastely return pump is wat i have been told
     
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    Thanks dale,
    perhaps yu can share that with me
     
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    what size sump are you looking at ?

    general rule
    1st compartment
    overflow from DT and skimmer compartment, make this compartment as big as is needed for your skimmer but not bigger, overflow to DSB compartment

    2nd compartment,
    DSB... ve 15 cm deep, compartment as big as possible.

    3rd compartment
    return pump
    carbon or phos remover reactors

    I do not have a UV so cant comment on its placement
    I would put chaeto on top of the DSB as a nutrient export algae
    As far as a comprtment for LR .... i would say insert a compaartment before the DSB or make an egg crate stand and place LR on top of it in the DSB compaartment

    an example is this..... here there is no LR, and there is also a underflow overflow system that some think is too elaborate .... you be the judge

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    Tobes Retired Moderator

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    Hey aquamann, here is a pick of my sump - very simple

    Excuse the plugs at the back, still busy with the box for the electrics :p
    Also planning to make myself a nice big light stand for the chaetomorpha algae to grow.



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    these days you should also keep in mind space for a scrubber
     
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    Why do you say that Dogstar?
     
  9. aquamann

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    Hi Neil,

    Many thanks for explanation and the photos. The sump is so simple.

    I have th is quick questions;
    1. Is the return pipe (waste water pipe) connected directly into the protein skimmer?
    suppose you have a very large dt tank? i looking at 150 gallons DT.

    2. Are the 3 compartments on your sump connected together in any way?
    If yes, how is it done? to allow the water being treated by the skimmer to pass through the DSB compartment and through to the Return pump compartment to carried back to the DT.

    3. I would like some one with the know-how on how to place the UV in Neils sump as in sump photo to react to this question.
     
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    Neil,
    one more question, what is in the DSB compartment on top of the live sand like a UV?
    since you don't have a UV i guess that is something else.
    Moreso, what does the term Chaeto stands for?
     
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    Hi Tobes,

    Many thanks for the sump photo, is been of great help.
    one more question; I have asked Neil, this question before perhaps you can through some more light on it.
    1. Is there any link between the various compartments in the sump?
    Just wondering how the return pump tanks the treated water from the skimmer compartment back to the DT.
    I just took another look at your sump again and i relised the demarcation between the return and the Dsb is open at a point for an overflow but the skimmer isn't, is that right?
     
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    I like your sump is really simple and nice looking.
    may i ask again, what is chaetomorpha algae?
     
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    I understand you can have a refugium within the sump as well,
    what is your take on that?
    I'm case for example looking the size of my intended dt for proper filtration system a refugium will be of great help to me.

    I need an input from all the gurus here. If it is possible for me to have the refugium within the sump and who to set up that compartment as well.
     
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    Chaeto is a macro algae used in nutrient export (it helps fight nitrates). Also, can act as a fuge (it houses good goggas)
     
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    Thanks Monti,

    I really appreciate your contribution; but then, how does one make the (chaeto)macro algae?
     
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    You need to buy it from a LFS or get some from one of us Reefers in RSA
     
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    Thanks Warr, that is great to hear.
    but then, can you please hook me up to any LFS that can export it? as you know i'm in Ghana.
     
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    Hi Neil,
    can you please explain the underflow overflow system in your sump to me, since i'm relatively new to marine set up i can't really comment on the underflow overflow of your tank that some thinks is too elaborate. I don't know the difference so if you could please do me the favor of explaining it.
     
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    Speak to Lanzo - Dorry Pets - Home
     
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    Thanks man. i have check the site, they have alot of interesting stuffs
     
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    The sump is basically a tank with 2 partitions in it which is completely sealed off, in other words no water must seep through at the bottom or the sides. It must run OVER both the partitions. The water enters the skimmer compartment and runs over the first glass, then over the deep sand bed, then over the 2nd glass and then into the return pump compartment and gets pumped back to the tank via a pipe. Very simple and easy to DIY. It is important that NO water seeps through the glass and enters the DSB area at the bottom as the anearobic area will get oxygen rich water making the natural nitrate reduction inefficient and useless.
     
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