Sump Matters for Greenies

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  1. Riekert Botha

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    I must confess - I am still as much in the dark after all my "research" on sumps as when I first started (maybe even more!)

    So -
    1. If my tank is 2m, the sump can be the same length, but ideally it should be?
    2. What is the best (simple and effective) way to divide the sump?
    3. What goes where?
    4. Whats the best way to ensure a silent sump?
    5. Whats the most effective filtration to use in the sump?
    6. I'm going to use a chiller - could I place it in the sump?
    7. If I want to place the pump not IN but OUTSIDE (to prevent heating of the water) could it be done?
     
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    Some of you're questions I don't think there's really a right or wrong answer. ...
    1 In my opinion the bigger the better on a sump...but it obviously depends on what kind of filtration system you going to run .
    2 Glass panes and silicone would be easy enough to dividing a sump
    3 My first chamber have skimmer and reactor in,middle chamber live rock etc and last chamber return pump and chiller feeding pump
    4 ...don't know:confused1:
    5....dsb. ....mechanical. ..biological. ..again I don't know :whistling:
    You will have a lot of different answers on that one
    6...maybe I'm wrong but you do get a sort off chiller that goes in the sump but the more conventional unit are a stand alone unit that I would fit outside of you're cabinet due to it generating a lot of heat and needs good ventilation
    7..Most of the return pumps need to be submerged to keep cool
    But you do get pumps that can be run outside
    I'm also still learning so I'm sure there will be better comments shortly from the more experienced reefers
     
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    If you want to run a DSB ideally the surface area should be as close a size as your display surface area. You get other means of filtration, from various types of reactors also filter media that you just place in a filter bag into your sump (seachem matrix, orca bio cubes etc.). As for dividing the sump most go for a 3 partition, first for your filter media, second for your skimmer, reactors and heaters, the last for your return pump. The other way is to have your skimmer etc. first then your DSB and then your return pump. If you want a silent pump then you need to look at a DC return pump and they can be placed in or outside your sump (just extra plumbing). As for chillers most are stand alone system that you can place outside or away from your tank. Filtration wise DSB has had great success but not really necessary as I mentioned before you get media you can place in a filtration bag or even a reactor (at the end the choice is yours). Just to add, invest in a good skimmer that can handle a load that is twice your tanks volume. Hope this all helps.
     
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    Also check on you tube "52 weeks of reefing" for a couple of tips.
     
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    Nella, thank you for the reply! Two more questions if I may:
    1. What filtration system SHOULD I use?
    2. What is a feeding pump?
     
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    The feeding pump that nella is refering to is the supply pump for the chiller. For cold water setups I am not sure if there is a specific filtration system.
     
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    The simplist modern form of filtration would be the seachem matrix or orca bio cubes in a filtration bag with activated carbon and a good skimmer. From there you can change or add to it later on when you get to grips with your setup.
     
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    EFJ, thanks for this! I have done some reading on the DSB method and it sounds great. However, there are so many choices! I am much too ignorant on this matter to make a decision. I actually need someone to tell me what to do - considering the system I have in mind. I would also like to see a pic of the system you use (?)
     
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    Thanks
     
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    I used a DSB with my previous setup but with my new tank I decided to leave it out as I wanted to do things differently. Nothing wrong with DSB but they take a long time before they become effective and eventually (over a couple of years) it becomes saturated then needs to be removed and cleaned. That alone causes a couple of issues on its own. At the moment I am using a skimmer, carbon and liverock in the sump. I don't have a high bio load and any corals at the moment (as I lost all when I moved tank due to my own stupidity). I am also busy changing my sump (making another design) but will run either matrix or bio cubes with the new sump.
     
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    EFJ, please walk me through your sump...
    What's what?
     
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    Are their any other members who want to share their sump layout? Please post a pic if possible. It helps greenies like me immensly :)
     
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    Sorry for the late reply. On the left is a narrow chamber where my display overflow flows in. I have my activated carbon in there. Next is where I have my skimmer. The third compartment is where my extra live rock, cheato and heaters are in. The last chamber is my return pump. As I mentioned I am busy building a different designed sump with a larger water volume and it will be remotely positioned from my tank for ease of access.
     
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    I need to re-do my sump as well. (Same tank size as you @Riekert Botha )
    So was thinking - why not using a couple of those big black bins. (Roughly 60l each). Connect them with a 50ml pipe.

    First container will be a DSB with cheato, second container will have my skimmer & bio cubes, third container will have the return pump, some LR ....? This will roughly add 130l of water volume...
    This will be much cheaper to do than building a glass sump.

    So maybe think about using this?
     
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    Those bins bulge out over time due to the water weight inside them. Then one day they split. Unless you can support them with a steel frame.
     
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    Raven, what an interesting thought! Do you perhaps have a pic of your tank. If its the same dimensions as the one I am building it could be very helpful. Btw, I calculated last night that if I reduce the width from 80cm to 70cm I save more than 200kg on total tank weight. That's a lot!
     
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    Ouch...
    Scrap this idea then.
     
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    Scrapping.... :)
     
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    OK, so I am about to order the glass for a sump measuring 140cm x 60 x 60 (10mm). Just to run it past you - is this sufficient for a system of 200cm x 70 x 70?
     
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