Sump design ideas needed.

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  1. Evo R

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    Hey guys

    Im in the planing stages of my new setup and need some sump ideas and advice.

    The space availible in the cabinet will be 60x60x80 or 100. Still deciding on the height.

    Skimmer im going to use will either be a BH1000 or a TS1.
    Maybe 2 sumps stacked on top of each other??

    Any and all advise will be great!!
     
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    Especialy the lay out.
    There is so much i want and so little space.
     
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    what do you want to put in it?

    Is 80 or 100 the height?
     
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    Yes 80 to 100 is the stand height.(if i do go the 2 sump route)

    I want a DSB and ATU.Space for frags.Refurgium or LR chamber ect.

    But space is limited to 60x60.
     
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    60x60 mm or cm?
     
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    Uhm that would be cm butcherman.

    If it was in mm and say the sump was 300 high (60MMx60MMx300MM) = 1.08L of water.A tad on the pointless side:lol:
     
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    if it was MM, you wan't even fir a return pump impeller.
     
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    what you plan on keeping in the tank?
    thats alot of things you want to fit in one sump
     
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    Sorry butcherman i couldnt resist!!
     
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    just checking i have seen tanks for sale that claim they are 1.2cm long :tt2:
     
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    Its a 65cm x 65cm x 50cm cube.Water level at 48cm.
    Was looking at say 8 to 10 small fish and some inverts and cuc.
     
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    why you looking at making your sump 80cm deep you wont reach the bottom of the sump with yout arm.
     
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    Jy check net dat almal waker pies is vandag ne??:tt2:
     
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    No the space availible is 80cm meaning there is enough space for 2 sumps stacked on top of each other if necacsery.
     
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    ok, TS1, need about 150mm wide chamber to fit that in. Return chamber, must be big enough to hold a weekend evaporation, in case you go away and at same time your ATU decides to get stuck. So return will be another 150mm max. Maybe 130mm.
    Glass thickness of 6mm, two sides plus 2 dividers 4*6 =24 (no space for bubble traps and its not needed)
    Space for DSB 600 - 150 - 130 - 24 = 296 by 588 (front to back).

    What is your display footprint? Reckon its also a cube?

    You can hang a descend ATU above the DSB, dripping back directly into your sump, Almost 300mm wide at the back of the DSB area should work. Issue is the ease of removal to clean it. If water level is high in sump area, then water space above DSB can be used as refugium. For Cheato. So same light that is on Scrubber also shines on the macro algae.

    Frags. Only method will be a really shallow tank, above the sump. max 150mm deep. max 150mm wide and 600 long. Pumped from return chamber or plugged in on your overflow. With 24w T5 *2 light unit at 10000K or less

    LR chamber. Rather use it in your display. It will do exactly the same job in your display as in your sump.
     
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    ok, see your display is 650 by 650. Your stand must then be out of 38mm square tubing. You can change the sump to fit in from the side, then it will be 640 * 570. Give you a little more length over the DSB area. DSB area will then be 336 * 558 instead of 296 by 588. That is 187 square cm instead of 174 square cm.

    Display 650 by 650, glass thickness of 10mm so 630*630 give you a footprint in display of 397 square cm. So basically a 50% display footprint to DSB ratio. (47.23% to be exact.)

    Only issue can be the width of the DSB resulting in a too slow flow over it. Must have the Frag tank pump in the return chamber, overflowing back to skimmer chamber. That will help in the flow rate.
     
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    Wow thank you RiaanP !!!!

    This is basically everything that i wanted. Just minus the turf scrubber and rather a auto top up instead.

    Now if only i knew how to do a scetch up so that everything made more sense:whistling:
     
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    The cube is made of 12mm glass.(Frans old/new tank)

    And i want max filtration in the sump because im going with very little LR in the DT because i like the bonzai look, and i want max swimming space for the LS.
     
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    And if i go with the BH1000 skimmer, ill have even more space for the DSB or addisional LR.

    Any thoughts on this?
     
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