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  1. Pantoffel

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    Hi all.

    After reading and reading and reading and reading and researching I hope im ready:thumbup::)

    I still dont really know anything but have learnt ALOT over the last couple of weeks of reading.

    Ok so we found a nice spot at home to put the tank now, I need some help on the design of the tank.

    I cant go longer than 1300 so I was thinking of going 1300 x 750deep
    Hight I don't know I want to go as HIGH as possible keeping in mind that I eventually want to go mixed reef. So any suggestions are welcome.

    Then me and the wife can't decide on going rimless or not.
    We really really like the rimless, so what are the experts input on this?

    Lastly who can we speak to to build our dream marine aquarium?

    Thanks in advance:)
     
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    On that depth, rimless is a lot more expensive. I would rather go braced.

    Can look at the sponsors page.
    Closest to Kempton is
    Nemo's Installations Install and maintenance.

    Wild on Pets Not sure if they do build up systems?

    Idol Marine Top end systems.
     
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    There are Pros and Cons to rimless. Rimless tanks look better but there is more possibilities of fish in and snails getting out. Braced tanks are stronger and prevent your critters from escaping. It all comes down to personal preference and the look you are trying to achieve.
    @RiaanP @dallasg can give further input regarding this

    Good luck and keep us posted!
     
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    Ok thanks guys!!

    I will phone around to get som prices.

    What do you think in terms of hight what is the max I can go?
     
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    there are many pros and cons..
    are you wanting a new tank or second hand?
     
  7. Pantoffel

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    New tank
     
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    From my observation, people usually upgrade their tanks after a few months or within the first two years of getting into the hobby. I would rather recommend you start off with a second hand tank and put all the money on good hardware like your lights and skimmers . After a couple of months of having a tank in your house and all the pain points of the second hand tank, you will become more clear on your requirements of your dream tank and at this point you can design your dream tank. Just my 2 cents
     
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    I have a planted tank at the moment and made exactly that mistake. I did learn my lesson so im pretty sure of what I want:1:
     
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    Did you read my sig links? Going LEDs , T5? Reef type ?
     
  11. Pantoffel

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    Yes I did but must say I get so much conflicting info. So what I was thinking so far is to start slowly and build up to a mix reef.
    I was thinking to go 800mm high with ATI T5 HO Sunpower 1.2m (cant remember the watts now) for lights? What do you think will this work?
     
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    At that depth you're going to need very thick glass. The higher you go the thicker the glass. And LEDs would be a better option. You need light to reach the bottom of the tank and you can control them.
     
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    Oh ja sorry I have to add we did decide now after going that high we aren't going rimless anymore but braced just above eye level. So that will sort out the heavy thick glass and cost.

    You see this is the problem I have when I phone person A for a quote he/she tells me LEDs aren't there yet and T5 is the way to go on that depth and if you phone person B they say now go HM and then if you phone person C he say go LED's

    So ja I dont know anymore its so confusing.
     
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    Lol, yes I know. But you will still need 19mm glass minimum with the tank braced. If you use small angled lenses and more LEDs you should make the depth. You can build a LED unit that will kick @ss compared to a unit you buy also. It seems that cost is not one of the main factors in your build, and sometimes spending the same or even maybe less can get you a better unit than you can buy.
     
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    You see that also worries me.

    All 4 people I phoned today said on that tank dimensions they going to use 12mm thick glass.

    And I know nothing about tank building will 12mm be strong enough why are you saying 19mm?
     
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    You said 800mm high. To withstand the pressure of the water at that height. You also got to consider the safety factor of the tank. Also salt water is more dense than fresh water, and you going to have a lot of water movement from wavemakers etc.
     
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    Yip I asked all 4 tank builders to quote me on a tank of 1300x750x800 braced and all 4 said they will be using 12mm thick glass.

    If I drop the tanks hight say to 650 water level at 600 I lose 180liters of water. Which means less space for fish and I know the more water the more stable the parms. So is it worth it to drop the tank hight?
     
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    I.personally prefer a shallow tank. I like the look of it. Take into consideration working in the tank as well. You going to have a sump, which will add to the total water volume. If you look at your stand, think about the height. You will need around a meter clearing height below your main display tank to accommodate your equipment(most skimmers are tall and you will need to remove collection cup). So if you use that as a rough guide you will end up with the top.of your tank being 1.8m high. Not sure how tall you are but working in it might be difficult. Lol
     
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    Yip I know im definitely not tall enough hahaha so the first thing I bought was a nice strong step ladder hehehe
     
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    Hehehe.. Yeah I needed to.do that with my old tank. Crappy part is that you don't really get a good view of how the placement of a coral or rock looks until you're off the ladder and in front of the tank. After re-calculating you can get away with 15mm glass. Suppose you keep your water level around 750. Would be good to have peace of mind with it.
     
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    About 8 years ago I had a 2m x 0.75 x 0.75 tank made out of 10mm glass, it was just heavily eurobraced, I bought it second hand in Durban and it survived a move from Durban to PMB and a couple of years later another move from PMB back to Durban, the tank is still running today, on 10mm glass, I'm pretty sure a 1.3 in 12mm glass would be rock solid.

    To be honest, If 4 different tank builders have told you 12mm then I would certainly take their advice.
     
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