Starting a predator tank

Discussion in 'Fish Only Tanks, Predator Tanks' started by LCornelius, 24 Apr 2011.

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  1. LCornelius

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    Hi all,

    My first tank would have been a predator tank, but the wife turned it into a finding nemo tank :tt2:

    So now I get to setup a second tank, a predetor tank!

    First some tank info:
    Getting a 1000 x 1100 cube.
    Will be running a simple system. 3 compartment sump with DSB.
    Scaping will be LR with lots of caves.

    My stock list, feel free to comment on this:

    2 Volitan Lionfish.
    1 Honeycomb Morey Eel
    1 Snowflake Eel (still not sure if I want a second eel
    1 Bluelined Trigger Fish
    1 Piccaso Trigger Fish
    1 Queen Trigger Fish
    1 Clown Trigger Fish
    1 Blueline Grouper Fish

    My first concern is skimmer. Would a TS2 cut it or should I get a TS3?
    Second concern is flow, what would you sugest? I was thinking of going with a boyu WM-3 wavemaker.
    Third is lights, would normal T5's do?

    All your input will be apreciated!

    Cheers,
    Lean
     
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  3. FransSny

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    Hi Lean, shouldnt you be baby sitting ;) (for those in the know Lean has recently become dad)

    Is that the corner tank you want to do preds in ?

    I think your LS is too much. Preds are heavy feeders and thus VERY messy.

    Honeycomb or Snowflake
    Drop the Queen Trigger (gets humungus) and very destructive
    Grouper might also not have enough space in that tank.

    Filtration...with that stocking TS3 minimum.

    As this would most likely be fish only , T 5 will be more than enough
     
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    LCornelius Thread Starter Moderator

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    Hi Frans, jip corner tank. Will skype you in 10min.

    Jip, Caine, Caylinn and I are watching TV. Caylinn is sleeping :)
    She is the most beutifull thing I have ever seen!

    Cool dropping the snowflake, love the honeycomb Eel!
    OK TS3 it is, with T5 light!!!!

    What about flow?

    Pitty about the queen, such beutiful fish!

    So stocklist:

    2 Volitan Lionfish.
    1 Honeycomb Morey Eel
    1 Bluelined Trigger Fish
    1 Piccaso Trigger Fish
    1 Clown Trigger Fish
     
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    Sounds cool but when coming to triggers I would rather suggest members from the genus Xanthichthys .

    They remain smaller and tend to be less agressive and destructive.

    A clown trigger with attitude can take out a lot of LS ....:p

    Also in stead of 2 volitans , why not 1 volitans and 1 radiata ?
     
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    Lovely ... more people need to be adventurous into predators world .... Excellent advice from Frans (as usual!) .... Regarding flow predators dont like alot of flow BUT would be nice if you could every now and then be able to blast away extra food and detritus (which you going to have alot of) so may if you could hid away some strong pumps and now and then (or even on timers) give spurts of blast would help with keeping the tank clean .... Lighting should be fine as well ... If you go T5's maybe could sneak a few shrooms ... your predators won't trouble them.... Filteration .... GO BIG ... Lots of poo! ,, All the best
     
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    I did some more research last night. Some say you should not keep Triggers with Lionfish. If this is so it kind of ruins the project for me :(

    Not a bad idea at all! I might even put in a dwarf as well.

    Thanks for the info Frans, will have to rethink my fish list.
    Will investigate the Xanthichthys
     
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    Indeed, on MASA there is only 7 threads on this toppic.
    I have to say that even Reef Central is not a big help on this. So I'm going to make a success of this just to prove the crowd wrong :thumbup:

    Agree ;)

    I'm thinking of doing the following:
    Lift the LR from the substrate about 5cm on egg crate.
    Then run PVC pipe around the frame with some holes in them. I can then connect a big pump to the ring and blow the LR clean from detritus.
    Edit: Need to credit Ashraf for this idea: Ashraf's window into the reef - Page 5 - Marine Aquariums of South Africa


    Indeed thinking of adding some form of coral or plant to the tank. Still need loads of research on that, would also be the last thing I will add to the tank.

    Thinking of it, sticking my hands in a tank full of Lions and a Morey Eal to add coral might not be such a good idea! I will get one of my friends to do it :yeahdude:
     
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    Lean, dont just look at Triggers & Lions in terms of predators.

    Other cool ones are hogfish , smaller groupers , hawkfish , etc.

    Keep a few things in mid when looking at a pred only tank in terms of inmates.

    Overall agression
    Feeding habits...ie opportunistic (fin nippers), stealth hunters etc.
    Territorial habits

    My 2 C
     
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    Agree with you, Im sure the stock list will change with time.
    This was just a initial stab at a stock list. The hogfish and even a puffer would be nice. I doubt that my initial Trigger list will become much smaller once I have the scaping done.

    I saw allot of people using bio rock for predator tanks. It looks like a cheaper option for building caves and ledges.

    What is your opinion on this?
     
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    Nothing wrong with using biorock to create height , caves etc. Just remember it takes longer to become "live" in comparison with real rock and thus doesnt add as much to your filtration as real LR.

    Dont rely on biorock exclusively
     
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    Cool thanks!

    Can I perhaps cycle bio rock? Placing it in a container so long with some stability and maybe vodka? I will also add some LR to seed the bio rock, this might quicken the process until I have the tank setup and start the cycle?
     
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    Tagging along...
     
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    Hey Lean Congratulations bud & all the best with the new build too.
     
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    Complete change of plans with the fish list.
    I did allot of reading today and it seem that Triggers are fin nippers.
    I would not like it if they start nibbling on the Lions!

    I found that it is a hit and miss with Triggers and fin nipping, also age and size play a role in there aggressiveness.

    Frans is there one Trigger that you can think of that would not start fin nipping?

    I also read that Tangs/Surgeon fish is compatible with Lions.
    This opens a new door on having color in the tank. So I'm swapping out the Triggers for big Tangs.

    My list:

    1 Volitan Lionfish.
    1 Radiata Lionfish
    1 Dwarf Fuzzie Lionfish
    1 Honeycomb Morey Eel
    1 Red Leaffish

    1 Clown Tang (maybe)
    1 Sohal Tang (maybe)
    1 Powder Blue Tang (maybe)
    1 Regal Tang (maybe)

    The Tang list is up for discussion :p
    I know that Tangs do nip as well, but only when provoked in my opinion.

    How about the following fish:
    1 Blue Spotted Puffer
    1 Cubicus Boxfish
    2 Panther Groupers (could become Lion food?)
    1 Longnose Hawk Fish

    Do you think the Eel would go for the Dwarf Fuzzie Lionfish?
     
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    Thanks buddy!
     
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    Glad to to hear you doing some serious reading first Lean :thumbup:

    I will just comment on a few things at the moment.

    I have never had serious issues with fin nipping from triggers of the Xanthichthys sp. Especially if added later.

    Honeycomb Eel I would seriously reconsider due to the size it grows into. Large eels tend to leave you with eel only tanks or unwanted LS. And yes any eel will try and swallow invertebrates and small fish...even lions (just google...lots of vids on youtube)

    As for the fuzzy dwarf...make sure it eats well before you get it , they are quite shy hunters and may be out competed for food by larger preds in a enclosed / confined environment

    Panther groupers are awesome...but check their size. It is all good and well thinking you may be able to get rid of it once large , but being specialized you might not find someone willing to take it.

    We can discuss in more detail when I see you on Saturday
     
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    Just something I have learned with my current tank over the last year!

    Cool, struggled to find the types on the net, stopped trying when I read that Triggers are fin nippers. Will give it another go!

    Ok ok, I hear you, they look amazing!
    So what is my other Eel options?

    Some that I like:
    Snowflake Eel
    Chainlink Eel
    Jeweled Eel.

    Um, you are right again. They are exotic, and hard to keep, especially with the type of pred tank I want, they probably would not make it!

    Good grief, I must have misread the bio on these!
    The panthers would never work!

    Cool, can't wait to visit!

    Your opinion on the Tangs?
     
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    I feel tangs would work quite well, also assist in keeping unwanted algeas etc in check which could pop up do to your heavy feeding / load. Will also add some colour. See my other answers in red above
     
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    Kole tang to control algae should be good enough, if brought in from the start.
     
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    Midnight wrap after a lekker Jacuzzi braai at friends :1:

    So far Frans, you are the mentor, I might know 0.5% of this hobby :thumbup:

    Great, will put effort into it tomorrow!!!! Thanks for the link!

    After the honeycomb, this was my second choice, so Snowflake it is!

    Panthers are so cool, and you buy them so small, my Regal would kick their ass! Give them 12 months and the Regal would go: OMG what have I done!

    Thanks for the insight Frans!

    Tomorrow it will be the big substrate topic, read some interesting articles!
     
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