Urgent help needed Softies dying

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  1. brcklayer

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    Hi guys/girls

    My softies appear to be dying. The torch and bubble coral, the zoas, the bta and all teh fish are happy but the softies all look horrible. The leather finger barely opens, the xenia are completely rectracted and the two types of green star polyps are not opening at all.
    This has been going on for about three weeks and I don't know what to do.

    My parameters are as follows:
    Salinity : 1.024
    ph : 8.0
    kh : 10
    po4 : 0.2
    no2 : 0

    This is all i can test for at the moment.
    I have tried adding a bit of iodine, strontium and magnesium. I had phosphate remover and charcoal running.I tried slowing down om my skimming. I slowed down on my weekly water changes (two oceans aquarium water). I have exhausted my knowledge and nothing is helping. Please any input would be greatly appreciated.
    Xenia before
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    Xenia after
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    Leather finger before
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    Leather finger after
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    and my star polyps
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  3. williet

    williet Look at the shiny LEDs!!!

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    Hi

    Two things off the bat.

    Loose the two oceans aquarium water. The water is very nutrient rich.
    no2 is that maybe NO3? if so, your redfield ratios are out of wack.
    Get some phosphate media in a reactor to get those phosphates down.
    I have seen in my own observations that phosphates though needed in an aquarium, too much of it stunts growth even parasite lifecycles are affected by high levels of phosphates.
     
  4. Hails

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    Flow and lighting?
     
  5. butcherman

    butcherman Moderator MASA Contributor

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    how much are you running?

    softies generally require some amount of nutrients in the water.
     
  6. Andre@ReefAquatics

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    What are you testing this with ? If you answer SERA, please get it retested with another test kit, also soties do no like heat, this is what I noticed with Xenia in the very warm weather without a chiller.
     
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  7. Zandy

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    From personal experience i know that it's time for a waterchange if the GSP is not opening fully. In terms of the xenia ..they will be retracted if the are in too much flow. They don't like heavy flow. Pincushions dont like certain phosphate removal products and may react negetively when running those.
     
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    good advice so far, but a few things...
    you will need to confirm nitrate NO3 levels, also what has changed?
    You will also need to suppliment Iodine to the correct level.

    i would stop with the water changes for atleast 2 weeks as these are probably going to cause some instability...
     
  9. Snoek

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    Dallasg would you recommend RO with salt on next water change?
     
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    dallasg Moderator MASA Contributor

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    i dont get you, you mean ASW?
     
  11. weezle

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    Hi brcklayer.
    I noticed in the before picture there was a green bubble tip anemone
    But in the after picture it is not there. At one stage my xenia
    Were also sulking and after figuring out that my bubble was roaming around the tank at
    Night I took him out and put him in my frag tank since then iv seen a difference
    In not only the affected xenia but the surrounding corals aswell.
    Although mine is almost the size of a rugby ball it could be contributing
    To the problem. Just a thaught
     
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    Would you recommend Ro with salt over the aquarium's water Dallasg.
     
  13. brcklayer

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    Thank you

    Firstly, thank you for all the replies

    @williet
    I have some red sea reef salt and will make my next water change with that.
    The levels I tested was NO2. I don't have a NO3 test yet but will get one soon.

    @Hails
    The Xenia where perfectly happy with the flow for a few months where they are now so I do not think it is the flow. The only change in lighting is a replaced t5 bulb.

    @butcherman
    I bought a mixed charcoal and phosphate remover bottle rated for 250l so a bit less then the tank that I was running it on. i took it out a few days ago to see if it would make a difference but no signs of improvement yet.

    @Andre
    Sadly I am using a Sera test kit for everything except phosphates. Trying to upgrade as budget allows.

    @dallasg
    I got a few chromis and a black damsel and removed my niger trigger but apart from that nothing really changed apart from doing my water changes more regularly but i slowed down on that again.
     
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  14. dallasg

    dallasg Moderator MASA Contributor

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    while water changes can be good, doing to many on smaller tanks in my opinion causes to many parameter changes, what is your NO3?
     
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    Do you run Carbon...I wiped out 80% of my soft Corals with a pre-packed Canister Filter rated at 4times more volume water than what I have..took me weeks to figure out it striped all my trace elements...I'm not saying Carbon could be you'r problem, just that it turned out to me mine...:blush:
     
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    it could be that
     
  17. Marinejunkie

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    As a guess I'd aim at phosphates. Had a run in with that bugger and it killed some of my softies as I didn't test it . If there's plenty of algae chances are there's plenty of phosphate.
     
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    looking at the before and after pictures i notice a large diff in the light between "good" and "bad" pics.

    Has any think changed in regards to light?

    Xenia loves light as much and as bright as you can, leathers as well.

    Cheers
     
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    The wonderful thing about MASA is that everyone is happy to offer their opinion :thumbup:and what has worked for them and what has not. This also at times leads to you having to decide what works best for you. I have had my tank runnning for about 19 months now and have only used :1:Two Oceans. I have had no problems. This being said I am moving to Rustenburg at the end of the year and although I am tempted to use Harties water, I am not sure it is classed as sea water or any water for that mater:tt2:. So I will have to mix my own, it is then I might realise that mixing my own should have been what I was doing all along.
     
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    I found out a long time ago no matter how much I've been dosing alk, my alk stayed on 6.5. The SERA kit was new, tried another with the same reading, then tried another few kits my Alk was 14.

    The rest is history never used SERA again. I know softies don't need Ca but Alk is a requirement.
    Saying that, with regular water changes you should maintain a decent level of Alk.

    2O water had some serious issues before, for the past year we are running only their water in our store with no problems at all.
     
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    I see you are dosing MG, strontium and iodine . Never dose what you cannot test for so I would stop dosing that. I know of a few people using two oceans aquarium and their tanks are thriving. I personally use NSW and I have no issues with it. It could also be the carbon you are running. I have noticed in my smaller system that my leathers sulked if I added carbon, also when I dosed iodide without testing , the leathers sulked. I agree with Andre, Sera test kits not the greatest.
    Maybe remove the carbon and only run phosphate remover.Which PO4 remover are you running ? Its important to test for NO3 as well. What is your temperature at ?

    I agree with @Dave F , some things might work for others but not for you.
    a good dose of special blend will also do your tank good and can only benefit.

    Just my 2c.
     
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