Safe Dosing Table

Discussion in 'General Discussions and Advice' started by vatso, 17 May 2010.

  1. vatso

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    Hi all

    Can we try an idea of a safe dosing table to assist people who are new to the hobby & that are not great with maths & formulas.

    Here is an idea example

    KH - Bi Carb - Max 1 tea spoon per 500lt water every 2 days "Must be tested"
    Kalk - Max 1 tea spoon per 500lt water in 1 lt RO water per day "Dripped at Night - 1 drip per second"


    Above is an example not to be used!!!!!!


    What do you think can this be done - simple "Safe" dosing table
     
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  3. ziyaadb

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    nice idea i like it.
     
  4. robertkukla

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    i like it but cant help
     
  5. Nsteyn

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    Vatso, Awesome idea, and would assist in any way I can, but maybe we should get the amounts etc from the specialists - maybe also include "common" substances that can be used eg: Magnesium or "Engelse sout" etc.. ?
     
  6. Boegie

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    Great idea.
     
  7. butcherman

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    ask hennie he should know alot about this subject
     
  8. vatso

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    PM Sent :)
     
  9. dropzone newbee

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    good call
     
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    Thanks Viper have had a look very useful post. the idea is more the dosing "Safe" amount with the products we have access to.

    A guide for new people just starting out & a base amount to use when we start testing.
     
  12. Reef Maniac

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    That's a GREAT idea, but unfortunately it's not so easy or straightforward... everything we dose depends on the volume of the water, and also on the level of usage. As an example: of three tanks of the same volume, one could contain a very high biomass of SPS corals and clams, requiring (say) 2 teaspoons of bicarb per day, the second one could be lightly stocked with only a few fish and mushrooms, and need only (say) 1 teaspoon of bicarb per week, whilst the third tank could be a large predator FO tank, with a very heavy bio-load of fish that would require (say) 3 teaspoons of bicarb every second day to buffer the water and prevent the pH from dropping unacceptably low. Each of these tanks, although of the same volume, would thus need it's own rcommended dosing rate, and a "generic" (say) 1 tespoon per week per X liters of water just won't work... The same would hold true for calcium and magnesium additions.

    I guess we would need to create a dosing matrix for various types of tank setups. I would suggest that our tank maintenance gurus would be far better qualified (or experienced) to do this than I would, having only a much narrower range of experiences with my own tanks...

    Hennie
     
  13. vatso

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    Nice try Mr.!!!

    but you not off the hook so easy - I think the idea is more to have a point of reference where we work on the safe side of things :)

    like when we dive & work out our max dive time!

    these chart is to have a starting point

    ie. one spoon of bicarb & test 24 hrs later if no or little improvement 2 spoons but never more then 3 for example.

    there are enough of us we can do is :)
     
  14. Trev

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    I agree 100 with Reefmaniac here its got nearly nothing to do with the water volume and almost everything to do with the daily consumption requiremennt of your specific system which will need to be replaced by additives. Once you have monitored these consumption rates for a month or two you can kinda know what and how much to dose just by looking at your livestock but only for your specific tank and no one else will be able to benefit from this info.

    Trev
     
  15. herkie

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    I used to add 1 ml each of Iodine,magnesium and strontium in my old tank. I got this advice from Moolis when I bought the additives and it worked 100% for me with the specific tank. After I started the latest tank my Pumping Xenias take major strain as soon as I dose Iodine in the smallest amounts. I am telling this long story to illustrate why we should only dose what we can test. I also like to close my eyes and then do whatever my mind tells me, Thanks to you guys that warns us to be cautious, if I listen to your good advice my tank inmates will soon be very happy. Lastly I must admit that I tend to overdo things at best and I am sure I have some more over eager buddy's on the site. I suggest you read this link supplied by Viper357 earlier, it sounds good to me.http://www.marineaquariumsa.com/showthread.php?t=3375
     
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    Sorry all

    Is my English that bad? we always some how seem to move off topic & away from what the original idea was.

    this is not to do a full on 100% dosing table for each & every tank!

    The idea which now feels like a bad one was to give people a starting point a guide line on the safe side!

    so take all the different types of tanks & then take the one that would need the least & use that as the starting point - to help people in the right direction.

    I will create my own dosing table for people that would like a rough idea.

    Vatso
     
  17. Nsteyn

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    Tnx Vatso, yeah I think we have the same idea, there are so many ways of doing it but it would be good to have something that state basically dose this, so much/l of water.
    Tnx for the effort.
     
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    Dude your english is perfect your idea not so. Here is the simplest way to understand it

    tank which would need the least of ????? .......well who's tank with what in it ???? how will you know the truth is that even the same size tanks one with natural water one with synthetic or be it every brand will have different requirements even if they only had one piece of zenia in it simple factors include lighting, temp, water flow, water quality, filtration, placement of said corals just aout everything will make your tank very different to mine even if they are build and fitted the same with the same piece of zenia. SO what Im saying is its impossible for your info to be useful to anyone else at all. The only way is buy good test kits monitor your system and get to know its reaction to the lack of and correct amount of the various additives this is the only way.

    I dont think anyone is saying that your thinking is silly or crazy In fact if it was possible it would be an awsome idea and great of you to think alonng these lines but unfortunately its just to complex given all the variables.

    Trev
     
  19. Singularity

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    Trev, i think vatso would like a table where we say with 1 tbsp of X you can raise that parameter in a body of water, lets say 500lt by X amount just water, no live rock or corals, this would just make it much easier to work out what your tank consumes, if you start doing the maths. So basically a dosing chart for beginners, that is for the first time beginning to dose their tanks, this chart then gives you the safe amount to add the first time without risk of overdosing and gives you a base from where to calculate your own tank needs.
     
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    Let me explain how hard this would be even if such a data base existed you would need to list the following

    1 types of coral
    2 size of number oftypes of coral
    3 placement of types of coral
    4 feeding of fish and types of food used
    5 lighting of tank
    6 Amount of water flow
    7 direction of water flow in relation to placement of corals
    8 daytime and evening temp of water ( not so important )
    9 types of fish
    10 size and number of fish
    11 feeding times of fish and types of food
    12 Filtration system
    13 how often you do tank maintenace and what you do
    14 water quality ( parameters )
    15 salinaty of water
    16 amount of water in total
    17 how often and what amount water changes are done
    18 a few other factors less important

    Now unless you found someone with exactly and all these factors in common to your tank then their info would just about be 100% useless to you me and every other reefer in the world. Sad but true

    Trev
     
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    Vatso probably want informations like this one.

    To raise your KH one degree, you have to dissolve 3.02 gram of bicarb for every 100 litre Net system volume. Which means the total amount of water, not total volume of tank and sump. KH should be raised one degree per day!
    Example:

    500 litre net system volume.
    KH is 7, desired is 9.
    3.02 gram (per100l) x 5 x 2 degrees = 30.2 gram bicarb.
    Dissolve 30.2 gram bicarb into 1 litre RO water.
    Add half a litre today, the other half tomorrow.
    Sorted!
     
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