Royal Gramma Question

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  1. tJokkie

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    Hi all
    Was hoping someone could assist a newbie with some advice

    I have a RSM130D
    Livestock --> Clown , Royal Gramma , Leopard Wrasse and basic clean up crew

    Question -->

    Since i have introduced my Leopard Wrasse to the tank the Royal Gramma keeps attacking and harrasing him.

    This is now causing my leopard Wrasse to just stay in his sand area.
    Any advice for this to stop much appreciated , otherwise i will have to let the Wrasse go


    Regards
    Chris
     
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    Unfortunately, in an aquarium that is smaller, and one where you have placed the gramma in first, there will be a fight for territory, gramma's belong to the basslet families and they can be quite aggessive if not given enough space, always best to introduce them last. However, that being said, when the lights go out, try re-landscaping your tank again, might sort out any issues when the lights come back on.
     
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    Royal grammars are aggressive fish and should be introduced last. If you planning on adding any other fish, you might have to consider getting rid of the royal grammar.
     
  5. tJokkie

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    Hm thanks for the info guys , i will try to change the scaping a bit and see what happens.

    If this doesnt work i will get rid of the Gramma , (Unfortunately this was sold to me as a *Friendly fish*

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    Hi @tJokkie!

    I agree with the guys, he should be one of the last fish to be added to the system. But to get him to accept the newcomer is not impossible. Try moving some live rock around.... it confuses the fish and they have to establish new territory again. What I have found helps everytime with aggressive fish is to add a grippint tong or a feeding tube into the tank. Rest in on the liverock and the side of the tank and leave it their for a day or two. It creates a diversion and keeps the aggressor from fixating on the new fish.
     
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    Thanks for all the responses!
    I have tried the LR but unfortunately he still starts break dancing and attacking as soon as he sees the poor Leopard Wrasse

    I will try move the LR again tonight and add a feeding tube, hope it work! :)

    Thanks for all the suggestions!

    Regards
    Chris
     
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    try take him out and put him in another tank for a couple days then re-introduce him to the tank after you've made som e changes to scaping etc.
     
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    Firstly, leopard wrasse are difficult to keep, as wrasses go. They often take months before they start feeding on prepared foods and rely on live rock to survive, much like mandarins. Definitely not a beginner fish.

    Secondly, are you sure it's a royal gramma and not a bicolor dottyback?

    Royal gramma:

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    Dottyback:

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    Royal grammas are usually very peaceful. Dottybacks are evil little buggers.
     
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    @ Lord Blackadder
    From the pictures its definitely a bicolor dottyback(Apologies for my wrong initial ID)
    Hm i was then a bit misguided by my LFS about the care of this wrasse.
     
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    I just hate it. When LFS do this to new comers to the hobby!!! :(

    It totally ruins the credibility of other, more honest guys out there!!!

    I truly hope you come right, else you'll need to remove the little devil, and give your wrasse a chance to acclimate to your tank, and give him the opportunity to grow healthy...:thumbup:
     
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    I will try seperate the Dottyback for now
    I am worried about my Wrasse now tho , my tank is only about 5 months old and i cannot see it surviving on just theLR?
    (I have about 8 kilos but theres not much critters etc on my LR)

    If you guys think it has low survival chance i will rather sell it of or try take it back to the LFS?
     
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    I will gladly keep your wrasse for you in my system, been running for over two years and there are lots of critters, I will even buy it from you if you want.
    Carlos
     
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    Which species of leopard wrasse is it? This one?

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    My suggestion would be to remove the dottyback and take it back to the LFS. These guys are nearly always very aggressive to new fish and it will give you a lot of trouble later down the line. The wrasse should then be less shy and you can try feeding it. Try lobster eggs and frozen mysis. If you have the species above then they sometimes feed a bit more readily than other species. Once you've got them feeding on frozen food then you're sorted. If you can't get it to feed then consider selling it and maybe getting an easier wrasse (Halichoeres species are great for beginners).
     
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    Wouldn't it be best for the fish if @tJokkie rather take it back to the LFS, or let someone with a little more experience :)biggrin:) take care of it rather than take the chance if the fish eats and then if it doesn't, try and sell it or give it to someone new? Just saying.:)
     
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    In my experience it's actually quite a hardy wrasse, IF it's in the right tank. Much like mandarins, they're very disease resistant and tolerate less than perfect water conditions. The problem is they're timid and picky eaters. The one I caught 5-6 months ago has doubled in size and even eats pellets as of last week. It took over 2 months before it would eat anything I gave it though.
     
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    Hi

    Yes that is the Wrasse ive got Black Adder
    I will catch the dottyback when i get home and see how it goes from there, if that doesnt work and he does not feed i will be donating the Wrasse to someone elses tank

    Regards
    Chris B
     
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    Cool. Good luck!
     
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