Reef safe snail?

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  1. inflames

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    Hi Guys,

    I got 2 of these snails from the surf off the coast of Durban. Does any one know what they are and are they reef safe and what they eat and will they survive? They seem to like to bury themselves in the sand. I did some reseach on google and looks like they are a type of "horned helmet snail", but cant find an exact match. Any advise and info would be great! Thanks

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    They are about 6cm from end to end!:whistling:
     
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    Survival (in the beginning at least) will strongly depend on acclimatization time and method as gastropods can be very sensitive to salinity and quick temp changes.
    Not sure on the type of snail as my book is at home.
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    Thanks Tobes for the info! Let me know if you find anything in the book at home! Should I be concerned about this snail eating any of my Mushrooms?
     
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    We tried to eat some about two weeks ago, got a few at mission, gooid them on the braai, were very tuff and tasted better than a muscle though. If he's not happy in the DT, gooi him in the pan but only flash fry him with garlic and parsely butter.
     
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    They get a lot bigger than that. Ensure your rocks will not be bulldozed. Else expect some rock falls.
    Exact species name, do not know, but I can ask my snail expert auntie
     
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    Thought they would get allot bigger! Please ask!! I am also concerned of the Amount that they may consume out of my system! Might leave to little "food" for the rest of the inmates! Also was given 2 of them!
     
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    So far it looks like
    Muricidae - Thais Panama

    Predator. Eat other mollusca.

    Just waiting for final confirmation.
     
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    Sorry wrong name, correct family

    Purpura Panama, under Muricidae. It is a predator, drilling holes into its victims and sucking them out.

    Purpura panama
     
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    Thanks Riaan,

    When you say victims...do you mean my fish?!?!?! Or it that that like to tortoise catching the hare?!?!

    They do seem to really travel quickly around my tank!!
     
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    They dont survive long in a reef tank, usually burying themselves and never returning.
    I`ve seen them actively eating algae (ulva) so not sure about the predator bit but i`d return it to the ocean if i was you.
     
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    Thanks Robin, A bit far from the nearist one!! about 600km!! Anyone going the way of durban soon?!?!?
     
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    Like in other snails, bi-valves mussels.

    Check out
    Muricidae Snail - Warning - Invertebrates

    It is another member of the muricidae family, but they are all the same.

    Interesting bit of info or rule.

    Not always but generally, if the snail opening is round, then it is a vegetarian
    If opening oval, then it is a predator. And mostly on other snails, worms etc.

    More useless / useful info
    Cone snails hunt small fish and other stuff. And beware, cone snails are poisonous. There tube they struck fish with is fast and deadly. It can reach all the way to the back of the shell, so handle with care. It can sting you even if you pick it up at the end. I got one in my sump:)
     
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    If you have the book
    Two Oceans - a guide to the marine life of southern Africa

    Look at 75.3 Salmon-lipped whelk.

    They drill and suck out barnacles and oysters. So yes they are reef safe, as in will not touch your corals and softies. But they will eventually die and if your cleanup crew can not dispose of it quickly, it will pollute the tank as they are big.

    What the shell collectors do: They put snails in fresh water and then the snail die quickly. I did not do it, but that is what they do it... They kill them, we try to keep them alive until they starve to death... Which is more cruel? :(

    If you want to keep the shell, I can find out from my shell Auntie how they clean it and make it all shinning.
     
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    Thanks for all the info Riaan!! Great research there man!

    I think that I need to get rid of these 2 asap! I know its cruel, but I wasn't the dude who whipped them out the ocean. I dont have the book, but would only like to keep what survives well and does not cause havoc to the environment.

    So are you still trying to keep yours alive in your sump? How long have you had it and how big is it?
     
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    I had one, but it did not travel that well. Died after 3 days and became hermit food.

    What I do have in my sump that is not tank safe
    1. Cone snail, not sure which one. Some eat worms, and he is still with us. So he must find something.
    2. Couple of Muricidae snails, the smaller black ones as in the link I posted.
    3. Forsskal whelk about 5, eat polycheates
    http://books.google.co.za/books?id=W_2QB8ftLgcC&pg=PA162&lpg=PA162&dq=Peristernia+forskalii+leucothea&source=bl&ots=f_Sj2xmSv2&sig=vlSRvrnNCdu1YSLPIvLk39q2-zs&hl=en&ei=SYrNSu6zI9bKjAe-uNH8Aw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6#v=onepage&q=Peristernia%20forskalii%20leucothea&f=false
     
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