Reef fish books.

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  1. caddy

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    Who out their knows of some very good books i can get on identifying reef fish?

    Thanks
     
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    A book from dr burgess is called atlas of marine aquarium fishes

    Its like the best book for identifying fishes
     
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    Burgess is the best IMO...
     
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    Try and get it from amazon as its much cheaper than buying locally.
     
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    I take it you want to ID the fish you see/catch when you go diving?
    There will be a collaborative book coming out soon(hopefully this year) - It covers the WIO(Western Indian Ocean) & Red Sea & Persian Gulf, some 3000+ species, so will be coming out in 5 volumes.
    This would be the most authoritative work to own, imho.
     
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    Om nom nom nom.
     
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    For what purpose do you want the book

    1 for IDing local collected fish
    2 for IDing pet shop fish
     
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    I think it is going to be pricy...
    There are still many undescribed fish species in our area - it will be interesting to see how many of these will be included in this work.
     
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    To mostly identify locally caught fish.

    I will check out all these books. Thanks
     
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    Yep, unfortunately specialised books tend to be...especially when they've got colour plates. Smiths is pretty outdated now though, especially distribution-wise.
     
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    Does it have a working title yet? Authors? Sounds radical!
     
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    Yes, sadly this dawned on me also a while back when i saw P.rhomboides still described in Smiths as P.striatus.
    but those books are classic - I still use my OLD Smiths (by JLB himself), in conjunction with the internet of course...:whistling:
     
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    Guys, Local books like a lot of you said just do not have enough of what fish are actually out there.
    Diving on our coastline scuba and even in the rockponds I always see un-identified stuff!!
    The Fairy wrasse I caught off Protea Banks a few months ago, is just an example. there are so many wrasse, Anthias,gobies.. etc etc, that I've seen and many others, that are just in no books!!!
    If there is an Author out there that is doing a I.D. book he/she should definately check in with this site! Guys Like Richard Matlock and a few others would probably agree with me;)
     
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    If I think of people like Margaret and JLB Smith, Elaine and Phil Heemstra, Gerry Allen, Rudie Kuiter, John Randall - these are people who have dedicated their lives to not only identify and describe new species, but also publish books to assist with identification. The immense amount of work that must go into these projects are not to be underestimated - they are mostly well aware of the fact that there are numerous undescribed species, but there is only so much time in a lifetime...
    This is why I will never throw away my old Smiths even if it is outdated.
    We, as a community of amateur ichthyologists, should collaborate to describe some of these species.
     
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    @StevZi
    Agree mate, reckon though a collaboration with the divers reefers on this site for instance, could be a whole pile of extra knowledge bundled together;)
     
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    I just hope Dennis King will make a better book he has all the photos
    I see all his photos in other guys books like Rudie Kuiter's book on wrasses ...
     
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    Well there is/was the East Coast Fish Watch project...not sure if it's still running?
     
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    for sure. @brentv,
    I have spoken to some people about your Cirrhilabrus sp. – will pm you the details.
    Just to give you an idea of what you would need to do before you can describe your KZN Fairy wrasse as a new species:
    Someone will have to take DNA from your specimen, get it barcoded and compare it to DNA from a Red Sea specimen of S.rubriventralis
    Even if DNA shows it to be a different species(which at this point we all think it is) someone will need to examine specimens from our region & Red Sea to discover morphological differences & then describe it as a new species to give it a scientific name. This will have to be published as a paper in an accredited scientific journal.
    To get an idea of what the “description” involves, take a look at Describing Species by Judith Winston (518pages).
    As a start, I think it would be best if you have a plan in place to correctly preserve your specimen(s) in the event that it dies ( I hope it’s still doing well in your system).


    I don't think there's much going on anymore but could be wrong, the website is not really updated anymore- although i think a lot of the data obtained was helpful in the making of the WIO book.
    ps. will you or richard be looking into further classifying the unknown Parioglossus sp.?
     
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    Hmmm, or after the heart ache of all the genetic work, you find there is little genetic variation between populations, and rather something we like to call phenotypic plasticity working to show morphological differences :eek:
     
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