Planning a shallow tank

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  1. Max98

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    Hi.

    The marine bug has bitten me again, so I want to plan my next tank.
    The actual implementation will be a few months off, but I want to get my plans organised.

    I am planning on building a 1600 x 800 x 450 (water level at 400)
    That gives me a display just over 500L.

    For the lights I will probably go LED. I am currently building a custom LED canopy for my planted tank and the result of that will probably make my decision for me.

    My plan is to stock a BTA or 2 and further just fish.

    The fish I really want is :
    Powder blue tang
    Yellow tang
    Clown Pair
    Fire angel
    Chromis school

    Now the part where I am stuck - Filtration

    1)Is a DSB worth the effort and would you add a refugium on the dsb
    2)Is an algae scrubber worth the effort
    3)What skimmer would you suggest?

    And then flow:
    What would you suggest to create flow bearing in mind that there will be anemones in the tank.

    Thanks
     
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  3. SIMS

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    I have a 1800x1200x450 - its use as a grow out tank but I often think it would make an awesome display tank. You would need to think quite a bit about Aqua scaping with such a shallow display.
     
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    oh I would also go with starfire and rimless.
     
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    I am thinking about a very open scape with a few rock piles. This should give nice depth and enough swimming space for the tangs.

    I was thinking about open top as well, but I am not convinced yet. I love the look but I know I could lose a fish if I get a jumper. I would hate to lose a tang this way.
     
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    1)Is a DSB worth the effort and would you add a refugium on the dsb
    Yes and yes if you have the space.


    2)Is an algae scrubber worth the effort
    yes does a good job only issue is the pump thats needed and the lights

    3)What skimmer would you suggest?
    Bubble blaster 3000 or better yet 5000 if you can afford it

    What would you suggest to create flow bearing in mind that there will be anemones in the tank.
    2 Vortechs MP40 and 2 tunze 6105 with multi controller
     
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    From what I have seen the vortech's are a bit noisy. Does anyone have an opinion on that?

    How would a polario in a 1.6m x 0.8m x 0.4m tank?

    It seems like the tuneze's are nice, but what do they cost?

    I also plan on 5000 - 7000 L/H return pump.
     
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    If they not aligned properly they will be a bit noisy. if lined up 100% no issues

    Polorio is MUCH MUCH louder then a vortech. will be ok but cant pulse like a Vortech or create waves, just ramps up and down

    For the tunzes i listed just over 6000 for everything if i remember correctly

    nice size pump
     
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    I have the vortechs and it only has a hum when used on short pulse mode. I use it on long pulse for a few days and swap to short pulse for a few days. You can also go closed loop which will be ideal for the nennies. I use my Vortech without the guard cage and do not have any injuries and it will be better cos a nennie will not get caught in it.
     
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    Thanks.

    I have looked at the tunze's but they are very expensive.

    I am considering a closed loop using one of the reef octopus water blaster extreme pumps.
     
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    After quite a bit of research I am thinking the buyo wm-3 with 4 pumps will work well.
    Since the tank is so shallow, I think it is better to have more sources and less strong sources.

    What do you guys think of the ORCA-100-EXT protein skimmer?
     
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    I dont have experience with the boyus so i cant comment.

    Ideally regardless of the height you want a surge and the best surge devices that i have seen are the tunzes and vortech. see this shallow tank with 2 BIG tunze pumps Shallow reef tank Club - Page 39 - Reef Central Online Community (post 973 look for the video). also take into consideration that your tank is really wide 800. test the boyus and see what the flow is like

    If you on a budget the sun sun 5000Lph pumps are also good.

    The orca 100 ext is a great skimmer but i would suggest you spend a bit extra and get the orca 135 and that would be the better skimmer for your size tank. I had the 135 External in a 360L tank and it was working great. I think that the Orca range is a bit overrated if you compare them to the new bubble blaster skimmers.
     
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    As the guys said Max, Vortech or Tunze are probably the best out there in terms of performance , flow customization etc. I personally run the Nanostreams with controller on my 1100 x 1000 corner tank with great success. As for the Buyo WM 3 , for a budget / entry level pump they perform quite well (better than expected), I put them into my coral holding tank (1600 x 700 x 350 h), and they were actually a bit too strong, but created really nice flow once fine tuned.

    As for skimmers I would agree with ziyaad , if you can rather go a size up on the ORCA...or go for the Extreme series (using the Sicce pumps) they are awesome value for money
     
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    Thanks.

    I will probably start with the buyo's with the plan to replace them with tunze or vortech's later.

    At the moment I am thinking to leave out a dsb and juts make a proper algae scrubber. Space is a problem under the tank. Do you guys think it would be ok?
     
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