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  1. dallasg

    dallasg Moderator MASA Contributor

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    Hi All!

    so here is a thread to ask your Orca Product related questions. Please lets keep this simple, questions only, and chat regarding replies, answers only. If you have a non-related question or other chat, please start new thread or PM me.

    I will ask to keep this thread moderated to that the information is easy to find and will update this post with the questions asked and links to the replies.

    Help from the mods will be appreciated
     
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    Ok so my questions (which dallasg has already started to help answer) are:
    1) Am I able to use the cubes with Ozone? Will the Ozone not kill of the bacteria in the cubes?

    2)The bacteria or whatever you want to call it, released from the cubes, why does it not cause bacterial blooms and cyano? what makes it different to that released from the Pellets?

    3) I don't like using Phosphate removers at all, so with my Pellets I can easily keep both Nitrate and Phosphate low, will I be able to do the same with the cubes, a lot of people say they need to be supplemented with phosphate removers.

    4) why if the cubes are both anaerobic and aerobic forms of filtration does it not affect the O2 levels in the tank.

    Thanks a lot for the help
     
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    yes ozone will kill the bacteria.
    Actually its yeast, not bacteria
     
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    dallasg Thread Starter Moderator MASA Contributor

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    this is in relation to cubes, since the bacteria live in and on the cubes, there will be minimal impact.

    i will provide details etc soon when i have all the answers to the Q's

    there are many, including myself who use Ozone and cubes with no ill effects
     
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    Yeast is what causes denitrification in the cubes to take place? Surely the yeast is just the food source for the bacteria which does the denitrification?
     
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    But are you using ozone on the airline that goes into the cube bag?
    Or do the ozone go into the skimmer or ozone reactor or another place?
     
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    dallasg Thread Starter Moderator MASA Contributor

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    ozone reactor and skimmer in another.

    if a reefer runs ozone then he would know what it does and never plumb it into any biological filter.
     
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    ozone will not destroy the yeast or bacteria in the water supply. In fact ozone is very quickly de-associated in the water, within 1-2 seconds, that's why it must be in direct contact with water whether it a protein skimmer or by a pressurised reactor.
    I have been using the cubes and ozone for close on a year now with NO ill effects to the cubes or my biological filtration,.

    Yes, that would destroy the cubes and the bacteria. What I have done, is split the air supply at the air pump. One tube feeds my cubes and the other one will feed my ozone generator.
     
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    My Ozone run off and Pellet run off are both plumbed into the skimmer so any reactions that happen, I am happy for it to happen there and for it be skimmed out.
    Maybe what I should ask is, If I run Ozone with the cubes do I have to plumb the cubes into the skimmer as well or will they be fine if only the Ozone is plumbed into the skimmer
     
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    @dallasg, I hope I'm not stepping on your toes?
    Yeast is the organism that uses NO3 and PO4 to break down the polymer that the cubes are made off @dallasg, correct me if I'm wrong, you know this head of mind can go on tangents.
     
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    As long as the ozone is not run into the cubes, you will be fine. You can carry on running the ozone to your skimmer. You should try and place your cubes upstream of your skimmer, so that their natural break down is skimmed out.

    This is exactly how I run my cubes.
     
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    thats perfect, once water leaves the pellets or cubes the process is done

    the mulm from the cubes i use as a food source for corals, i dont force the effluent through the skimmer, what goes to the skimmer gets taken out, what goes to LR and DT is food
     
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    I know that ozone will affect the cubes if used directly on them

    Original question
    First Answer
    Did not really give the correct answer.
    That is why I posted a question on that asking directly how and where the ozone go into the system. Now the question is answered correctly and complete. Thanks guys.
    (see, there is some method behind my own madness)
     
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    Interesting, heard of yeast breaking down or converting carbohydrates but never NO3 or PO4, Didn't know it could do that
     
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    i did answer
     
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    there are approx 1800 yeasts, the marine yeasts are some wonderful creatures, i have found some interesting whitepapers and @irie ivan as well
     
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    They dont actually break down the nitrates and phosphates. They take them in and convert them into biomass.
     
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    Yes, we learn everyday, I too was surprised at this, WOW, they don't only make pizza. :lol: There are many types of yeast, this one is a particular yeast that uses NO3 and PO4.
     
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