New Sump (dsb)

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    [​IMG]hey hey[​IMG]
    It's time for me to build a sump.[​IMG]

    Dimensions of my sump now: 610(L) x 320(W) x 330(H)
    Chamber1: 80mm wilter wool
    Chamber2: 100mm ceramic media
    Chamber3: 90mm nothing in it
    Chamber4: 340mm with skimmer,uv sterilizer and carbon phosreactor

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    New dimension for new sump is: 700(L) x 380(W) x 330

    I whould like to have a chamber with filter wool before the DSB and a skimmer in first chamber and some Chaeoto somewere,how whould you say must a make my chambers???

    i'll keep you posted with progress and pic's.

    I want to build the sump with glass, i'll buy the cutted glass tommorow.
    What tools will i need to build the sump?
     
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    Hey Lanzo, here is a sketch of a simple sump.
    STANDARDSUMP.jpg

    What I do is clip the filterfloss to the pane between the skimmer chamber and the DSB, I am planning on putting cheato in the dsb are with some eggcrate.

    Mhh equipment would be a caulking gun with silicone, some tape to hold the panes while drying and a bit of skill

    Oh do make sure you have enough space to take whatever water will siphon back when the pump goes off. (i.e. dont run you sump too full)

    Good luck looking forward to see how it comes out
     
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    That sketch is the same that I use. It is perfect for even the most advanced and demanding systems.
     
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    My sump looks the same with one small difference. I have a 5 cm wide piece of glass that sits horisontally on the divider after the skimmer chamber. I did this to get the water flow at the top in an attempt to avoid detritus settling in the dsb. On the horisontal glass a 2 cm high piece of undergravel filter with some 'tooth' broken out is mounted vertically. I use this to hold my filter floss in place.
     
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    The only prob with that sketch, is that if you put cheato in with the DSB you must have a good space with water, if you want to get it to roll and not to disturb the gravel. Well that is the prob I had.
     
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    I also had my cheato rolling untill the horisontal piece of glas was fitted. After the glass was fitted the cheato does not move untill it gets too much and tries to overflow into the return compartment.
     
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    Thanks for all the info!
    Herkie can you please add me a pic of your sump(i have a idee what you are saying but don't know if i'm seeing it right in my mind)
    Were should my uv and reactor be?
    Wat tools do i need to get the job done?(i never did this before)
     
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    agreed, however with 700mm available to work with there just isn't enough space for another chamber, place eggrate 2 cm above the sand for with 2 pieces of eggcrate at 90 degrees to stop it from rolling of the eggcrate

    With the limited space I would not look at a baffle, its just an extra 5cm or so that would be more worthwhile as a DSB.
     
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    What is this eggcrate???
    Can someone please add a pic so that i can see what i must build pretty please.
    Can someone please help me with the lengths of each chamber and how many i must have. I want to get started a.s.a.p
     
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    Chamber one needs to be big enough to hold your skimmer

    Chamber 3 needs to hold the return pump and maybe top/up float switch (this level will vary with evoporation, Bigger= less frequent need to top up, however larger changes in salinity Smaller= more frequent top up but less change in salinity -- moot point if you have an auto top/up)
    whats left is your DSB,

    eggcrate.jpg

    This is eggcrate, used mostly as "louvres" in lighting
    You would basicly cable tie a box together out of this
     
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    Weeman told me that i don't need the filter wool because my wool will catch the stuff that my DSB will need.
    O.K now i'm totaly messed up??
    I really want to build this sump that is effective.
    i'll build the structure tom... and add the chambers when you help me get an idee of what exactly it must look like and what eggcrate are.
    i can make the sump a but longer, new size: 800(L) x 380(W) x 330(H)
     
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    Bigger is better when it comes to sumps, see if you can make it wider too.

    Yes filterfloss will catch most solids including pods etc, and you cannot leave it in for long before it needs to be replaced, 3 days or so. You want to stop it going biological i.e. a nitrate factory. However I use it on and off it just helps to keep the water clear. (take out little floating bits and bobs).

    I guess the answer is a personal choice, some reefkeepers like it and some dont. But dont stress it, build the sump as in the picture and if you want it you clip it onto the pane after the skimmer, if you don't just leave it out, it shouldn't affect how you are going to build your sump.
     
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    You would basicly cable tie a box together out of this[/quote]


    Chamber 1: skimmer
    Chamber 2: DSB
    Chamber 3:return

    So the eggcrate is used to make a box and then you put the Chaeto in it.( It floats in the DSB Chamber)
     
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    Chamber 1: skimmer
    Chamber 2: DSB
    Chamber 3:return

    So the eggcrate is used to make a box and then you put the Chaeto in it.( It floats in the DSB Chamber)[/quote]

    Correct, Apologies, i should have been more clear on that

    Basicly a box without a top, remembering you going to have to harvest the cheato every few weeks
     
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    Cut it and feed it to my naso.
    i cant make the sump any wider.

    Water must flow in first chamber over 1st slot ontop of the dsb and then off at the 2nd.

    What would you say about a chamber with wool????
     
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    Nope definately not, even if you replace it often that space is much much more valuable as a DSB.

    Keep it simple, do it just like the drawing. Most guys have some variant of that, it works and it works damn well.

    here is a pic with flow direction (red Line) and water level (blue line)
    STANDARDSUMPflowdirection.jpg
     
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    o.k plane and simple!!thanks kanga
    of topic, i saw a 12cm white bristel worm must i tke him out?
     
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    o.k to build the sump i'll need to use marine silicon.
    What size glass must i use?
     
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    No i wouldnt bother, they are in most tanks.

    Great to have eats all the "crap" in your dsb
     
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    6 mm should be fine as your water level will be low and the panes act as braces
     

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