New fish? sea snake or Ray?

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  1. jaybo32

    jaybo32

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    Hey all

    Can i add some more fish to this tank

    I have a trident 195 i think, corner unit

    I have 2 clown, male and female
    a yellow tang
    a yellow and blue fish, not sure what its called
    a shrimpy thing with big antennae
    a sea hare
    a small starfish
    a goldfish type fish with blue eyes

    lots of live rock, a toadstool and i think some small coral. I have pics on my profile if u can help identify anything I have and any tips to keep them. (inherited the tank)

    I was hoping to add something like a sea snake or Ray. Ive seen them in my local shop and they look really good. Any help here would be great.

    All my water levels, NO2, NO3, NH3/NH4, PO4, KH are all ok, except NO3 nitrate which I cannot get below 100mg (red) no matter how many water changes I do.

    I was also recommended to try a few Fire Gobies also, but im not sure what to try.


    thanks for all your help :thumbup:
     
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  3. FransSny

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    Welcome jaybo. you will find loads of info here

    I am VERY concerned that you cant ID the fish you already have and still contemplating keeping HIGHLY specialised species..please leave them , if we dont buy them maybe the shops will stop importing them
     
  4. crispin

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    hello jaybo welcome to masa :)

    i had a quick look at your tank pics and for ID purposes you have
    2 clowns
    1 yellow tang
    1 female anthia (also called goldies)
    1 large unhappy pincushion coral
    1 large unhappy finger leather coral

    possibly a few more things but i just had a quick glance.

    to be honest your tank looks like it needs some tender care and some changes to it before you add any living thging to it, and that should not include sea snakes or skates for a tank that size. I can see you have a fairly thick layer of corse crushed coral as substrate and thats mosyt likley leading to your nitrate issues. the presence of both red and green cyano bacteria is also an indication of poor water quailty.

    could you perhaps take some pics of the filtration systems this tank has and give us an idea of what you do in order to look after the tank? that way we can help you better.
     
  5. butcherman

    butcherman Moderator MASA Contributor

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    Hi jaybo

    I agree with Crispin.

    You really need to look at whats causing your water problems. i refer to your post from another thread
    show us your filtration systems can we'll help you sort it out :thumbup:
     
  6. LCornelius

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    Hi jaybo32,

    Did I just hear you correct, did you say sea snake?
    Can you please specify the species of snake you would like to get?

    Firstly do you have any idea how poisonous sea snakes are?
    Keeping them will be a logistical nightmare and should only be kept by extremely advanced marine hobbyists.

    Just my 2c worth.

    Best of luck with your tank!
     
  7. FransSny

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    Guys yo u are missing the point , he asked what to add to his system , not what do we think of his filtration etc . Crispin I agree that pin looks horrible, also loads of other issues there so please bud dont add ANYTHING.

    That tank setup will never be able to house a snake or ray, before buying anything look at what the habitat requirements is PLEASE. You dont have enough substrate space for a ray and no decent size caves and swimming space for a snake
     
  8. jaybo32

    jaybo32 Thread Starter

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    Hey guys thanks loads for all the comments

    It looks like the worst could have already started. I got a Sea Hare to help "clean up" a bit and its not moved in about 8 hours now. I think its dead.

    Will see if its still in the same spot in the morning as its 11.30pm here in the UK

    The filter I think is as follows:

    A Fluval 305 External with two pipes going into the tank. 1 of the pipes spits water onto the top of the water although when the water level is high its silently doing it below the top of the surface. Seems quite powerful.

    There is also a Protein Skimmer thats hard to see behind the tank, but i think it says TMC400.

    There were 2 fans blowing at the rocks but since inheriting the tank ive added a blower that blows across the bottom of the front, from left to right as ive heard its best to have lots of movement near the coral. thats 3 blowers in total.

    Loads of Live rock as you can see and there are things growing on them that look like little fungi mushrooms things and it all looks a bit "red"

    2 white lights and 1 blue light that I switch on around 8am and switch off around 8pm. I was hoping to get a blue light for on its own at night, not sure if this is possible or even advised. I feed the fish small amounts of flakes twice a day and sometimes add some dried seaweed that came with the tank on a clip.


    I feel like you should all understand the story behind this tank as people might be thinking "whats this guy doing, he has no clue how to run a marine tank"

    Your right, ive no idea. I was given the tank as the people who owned it couldnt look after it anymore and it was literally going to be emptied and thrown away. (long story)

    Anyway, the history is that the tank has never had any "issues" before I got it. And Ive had it for about 1 month now. In that time I have read this forum as much as possible and tried to gain some knowledge.

    The tank was transferred to me fully, they basically emptied the water and all the rocks out to about 20% into containers and brought it here, then refilled it with the same water and all the rock. The fish stayed in the tank. I wasnt happy about that.

    Anyway, ive done two 6 gallon water changes over the past month. one every 2 weeks, by emptying the water into an empty six gallon container and buying already mixed salt water from a local aquarium. I can only assume this is the best way to go as I have no way to RO (a new word ive learned ;) ) my water and have no idea how to mix the salt so I buy it already done, heat it up for around 3 hours with a heater then add the water to the tank.

    The only thing I have bought for the tank is a Sea Hare that i now assume to be dead and a small starfish that is still moving around ok.

    I will certainly not be buying any more stock for the tank and try to learn more from you guys as im a complete newbie and this is a difficult hobby.

    Iam enjoying the tank and look forward to it flourishing instead of looking a bit worse for wear.

    hope this helps with all the answers guys :)
     
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    not heard anything since telling my story, any help guys please?
     
  10. Jacojs

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    It is a bit dissapointing to see nobody helping you or giving advise as it is clear that you are asking for some. I can't help buddy sorry, this hobby is still too expensive for me so I have no setup yet. Hope you will get the help you need soon, hang in there.

    Jaco.
     
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    I would say first off you need to do water changes more often, I would be doing 10 - 15% once a week, maybe even twice a week if you can afford it.

    Moving the tank would have exposed live rock to the air and depending on the amount of time between moves you would have natural die off which results in a "new cycle"

    do not add any more live stock to the tank until your water tests have settled

    what lighting do you have?

    are you dosing with anything?
     
  12. chas84

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    Hi jaybo32... Welcome to the hobby! It might seem daunting at the moment, but spend as much time on this forum and read everything you possibly can - even the posts that you might think at this stage don't apply to you, you'd be surprised a bit later on how that info comes in handy.

    I'm no expert at this hobby, but have in the past two months "rescued/taken over" three setups, and so far the results have been good - touch wood!

    First things first, if you don't already have the maintenance items listed below, go and get them and use them EXCLUSIVELY for your marine tank. Each tank must have it's own set of this equipment, and it should never ever be used for anything but the tank:

    2 x Plastic "Jerry cans" - For water changes and to use when buying water
    1 x Large plastic bucket
    1 x Small plastic bucker
    2 x Plastic containers (Lunchbox size)
    1 x 2m Siphon hose
    1 x Sponge (I use a white filter pad) - For gently cleaning the aquarium glass (never "scrub" it or it will scratch and look ugly). You can also use a magnet or blade cleaner but I find these scratch the glass too easy if you're not careful.

    Here is what I would do if I were in your situation:

    1.) Clean the aquarium glass, after that do a 30% water change. When changing the water, rinse the filter material out in a bucket with your old salt water.

    2.) Clean the filter material twice weekly in old salt water, and keep the glass clean. Remember to clean out the protein skimmer's cup as well.

    3.) Get a "CuC" - clean up crew. Start with a few hermit crabs, nerite snails and turbo snails. Don't add them all at once, add maybe one or two of each every week, a couple of days between each addition. They work hard and are fun to watch!

    4.) Gradually replace the substrate with a finer media. I use very fine playsand (washed properly with tap water then rinsed with RO water/your old saltwater), but if you have the budget, go for sugarfine aragonite. This must be done gradually because you don't want to lose the established bacteria that lives in the current substrate. I'd say a handful or two every week. Once you've replaced all the substrate - never disturb it. This usually only applies to a dsb, but I've noticed many little organisms "tunneling" into the substrate, so I don't disturb it. The top 5mm - 10mm might be disturbed slightly while I'm cleaning the glass, and the hermits sometimes drag a few grains with their shells when they're walking.

    5.) I'm not sure of your tank's dimensions (please let us know), but in comparison to the yellow tang, I would possibly also take the yellow tang to your lfs in exchange for either a smaller one or maybe swap it for a clean up crew? Just check pricing first - you don't want to swap a tang for 5 hermits, if you know what I mean.

    6.) Lighting - Do you know how long the current lights have been working? They should be replaced annually.

    Remember to test the new water you buy. If bought from a reliable source this won't always be necessary, but you want to double check for peace of mind. If it's water mixed with a good quality salt, then you won't have to add any supplements. Oh and remember to be very patient. Because you moved the tank, you might be in a "mini-cycle". Read up about this and see if you can spot any of the signs they mention that are experienced during the cycle.

    If you are able to take more pics and post them in this thread, I'm sure more people will be able to help you out. Try and be as specific as possible - ie the powerhead/"blowers" for example, mention the brand, model and litres per hour.

    Do you have any space under the tank?

    Posting the following pics will help a lot:

    Full tank shot
    Space under the tank (with cabinet doors open, if applicable)
    Protein skimmer
    Powerheads
    Filter & what's inside it

    And another thing you might also want to do, is to temporarily house all your livestock elsewhere (lfs or a friend with an established system), for the next 4 weeks or so, until you've gotten the hang of things. You can then start adding your fish one per week, and then your corals. Do you feed your corals?
     
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