need help, and lots of it.....PPPPLLLLLZZZZz

Discussion in 'New Members' started by Kavir, 30 Jan 2009.

  1. Kavir

    Kavir

    Joined:
    28 Jan 2009
    Posts:
    275
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Pretoria
    hi ya peeps, i got a +/- 1000L tank. use tap water(the alge is killing me) the tanks been running now for about 3 months with a few mollies to build up bacteria. i've been to Pet stop and some other pet shop near wonderboom, now 1 says for coral u need more blue then white. and the other says the total opposite (tank size 2m X 450mm X +/-1m deep) more white less blue.

    any idea where i can get some LV at a good Price???:yeahdude:
     
  2. AdS Guest




    to hide all adverts.
  3. Apollo

    Apollo

    Joined:
    25 Sep 2008
    Posts:
    1,073
    Likes Received:
    66
    Location:
    Fourways
    Hello Kavir .

    Welcome to MASA.

    Do I understand you correctly : You are using tap water for the tank ?
    You need to stop doing this immediately, as all you are doing is propogating the algae growth and this will cause you endless hassles.

    Use RO (Reverse Osmosis) water for any topup or waterchange in the tank.

    You say your tank has been running for 3 months. What are your water parameters at present ?
    So you have no LR in your tank, just water & mollies ?

    Insofar light is concerned : Will have to wait for some other memebers to comment on this if you want to keep corals . The important aspect here is the depth of the tank as this will dictate the amount of light required to penetrate to the bottom of the tank.

    Live rock is available from most of the sponsors. In your area try Dorry Pets (Lanzo).
     
  4. Pete

    Pete

    Joined:
    3 Apr 2008
    Posts:
    1,196
    Likes Received:
    6
    Location:
    Under the sea
    Hi Kavir :wave2:

    welcometomasa

    Firstly useing normal tap water is a big no no, either get yourself a R/O unit or give me a call and I will supply you with the r/o water.. please give us some more details on the setup dont worry about corals right now lets first sort out your alge problems then the lights and then we move on...Remamber everything in this hobby takes time and should not be rushed...Like I said send me a pm and I will be more than willing to help you out and link you up with the correct people for lighting and live rock etc
     
  5. Pete

    Pete

    Joined:
    3 Apr 2008
    Posts:
    1,196
    Likes Received:
    6
    Location:
    Under the sea
    Insofar light is concerned : Will have to wait for some other memebers to comment on this if you want to keep corals . The important aspect here is the depth of the tank as this will dictate the amount of light required to penetrate to the bottom of the tank.

    Live rock is available from most of the sponsors. In your area try Dorry Pets (Lanzo).[/QUOTE]

    you are going to have to look at useing MH (Metal Halides) with a tank of that depth..

    This is the place I was going to hook you up with....:thumbup:
     
  6. JD167

    JD167

    Joined:
    5 Apr 2008
    Posts:
    1,436
    Likes Received:
    10
    Location:
    Cape Town
    Like Apollo said, tap water is a big no no :err: Get a RO unit and please post parameters. They are more than likely sky high.
     
  7. Tobes

    Tobes Retired Moderator

    Joined:
    30 Nov 2007
    Posts:
    9,482
    Likes Received:
    118
    Location:
    A Beautiful place!
    Welcome to MASA Kavir, please read through the following thread, some good info there Starting a Marine Tank - Beginner Discussions

    Sometimes you need to take a step back, do some homework and apply your newly accuired knowledge - patience is the name of the game!

    Ps - use only Reverse Osmosis (RO) water to top up evapourated water, only the water evaps, not the salt, so if you top up with salt water the salt level will increase too much and the fish and corals will die. Also use RO water for the salt mixes for your water changes;)

    :wave2:
     
  8. ziyaadb

    ziyaadb

    Joined:
    18 Jul 2007
    Posts:
    5,566
    Likes Received:
    48
    Location:
    JHB-Lenzz
    welcome bud
     
  9. jacquesb

    jacquesb Retired Moderator

    Joined:
    29 May 2007
    Posts:
    17,868
    Likes Received:
    69
    Location:
    Cape Town
    Hi Kavir! A very WARM WELCOME to MASA! Great that you have found us, and joined MASA!

    Now - just to set your mind at ease first - everything can be "fixed" in a marine tank, if you are prepared to take good advise given by some very experienced marine reef-keepers, and IF you are prepared to have a LOT of PATIENCE!

    Please take note that MASA is here purely to assist people who want to learn, and who want to be the best at keeping marine aquariums and the aquatic life, happy and ALIVE....
    Your fellow MASA members has nothing to gain financially by assisting you online.

    Whereas, some reefkeepers have unfortunately been duped by LFS's in purchasing equipment, and life stock, that is not suited to keep modern day marine life stock alive and happy.

    Please feel free to read the other threads in "New Members" forum.

    Also - have a look at the threads in our "Member's setups and tanks" forum.... You can perhaps get a good idea of what you should be aiming towards achieving.

    Please do not hesitate to ask as many questions as possible, in order for you to become the absolute best reefkeeper that you can be.

    OK - here's my input on the questions you asked:
    - Tank water - all tank water (the salt water) and fresh topup water, SHOULD DEFINITELY be done, using RO (Reverse Osmosis) filtered fresh water. There are a LOT of nasty chemicals in tap water, which feeds nuisance algae growth....
    You can buy this RO water from your local LFS, or from a water specialist company.
    OR: Alternatively, look at investing in a good RO filtration system yourself, that you can have your own permanent RO water supply.

    Secondly: Lighting
    - the most common lighting used these days, by reefkeepers, are T5 fluorescents (High output), and/or Metal Halides
    - the depth reach of T5 lighting is not as good as that of Metal halide lighting - meaning that the metal halides get to provide FAR better light penetration into the water, especially of deep tanks.
    - T5 lighting is perfect for use if your tank is more shallow than ie. 500mm

    So - taking this information into account, it would be suggested to rather have metal halides over your tank, which is 1000mm deep...
    This is for the MAIN lighting. For supplementary lighting, the T5 actinics/blue lighting is perfect.
     
  10. crispin

    crispin

    Joined:
    22 Jan 2008
    Posts:
    12,223
    Likes Received:
    160
    Location:
    Lilliehammer, Norway
    hey kavir:)
    welcome to MASA, sorry thats its with urgent help thats needed, but fear not we will give you all the help that you need.

    I understand you have some algae difficulties, no worries we have experts in this field, some even farm the stuff:) as others have said, you wanna stop that nasty tap water. but give us a few more stats on the tank will you. 1000l of salted water is a nice voume to be working with:)

    what sort of Live Rock do you have in there?
    do you have any sand?

    mollies....ok ok i'll bite my tongue, but thats not a nice way to test a tanks water perameters....or get bacteria to grow :(

    do you have a skimmer? if so which one
    do you have any internal pumps? if so which ones and what are they rated to do?
    do you have any sand at the bottom, and if so how thick, and what size are the particles?

    maybe send us a pic and lets see if we can help:)

    i personally wouldnt worry too much about the lighting for now, lets get that tank up and running without algae first:)

    I'm afraid you probably have a longish road ahead to clear the algae growth, if you dont have live stock....other than the mollies which we can acclimatise back into bath water:)- i personally would start over fresh....but thats just me, i like to start off right and eep going that way:)

    oh and dont be afraid to ask the simplist of questions, i have threads about getting enough pressure into my ro unit to get it to run.....thank goodness i did ask too. We at MASA are here to help and help all we can:)
     
  11. Kavir

    Kavir Thread Starter

    Joined:
    28 Jan 2009
    Posts:
    275
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Pretoria
    thanks for the welcome and advice.

    ok i know a marine aquarium is a patient and expensive hobby, i want to do it right. what other alternatives do i have instead of restarting? ( i also dont want to lose that salt in the water. whould the RO device sort my tanks water as it is now, or only water that i top up with????

    im planning on getting a RO device, but reading up on it, and it does +/- 200L a day???:( thats slow. getting RO water will be a Prob. i have the tank in my restaurant sooooooo......... adding the water will be a problem if it's a busy day.

    i,l try and wack some pics up 2moro of the tank. i have no live rock (basically some dude set my tank up coz i had no idea what to do, i thought fish only and coral was all in the same, so he put about 20kg of some kind of rock in the tank, which as only algae on it :pissedoff:) the sump has tufa and sevral bags with some white tiny ball thingy (looks like BB gun pellets) i have a home made skimmer but now with all the doubts, im gona be gettin a propper skimmer.

    it's like so many questions to ask, but where to start lol, this is really wrecking my brains:wacko:

     
  12. Tobes

    Tobes Retired Moderator

    Joined:
    30 Nov 2007
    Posts:
    9,482
    Likes Received:
    118
    Location:
    A Beautiful place!
    Don't worry, we'll get you sorted ;)
     
  13. angelboy

    angelboy

    Joined:
    12 Nov 2007
    Posts:
    113
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Welkom
    Welcome to MASA. This is the right place to be and u can trust these guys. They will help u with anything to get ur tank at its best. And i know its not easy to wait but if u want the best tank u have to. Read thru evrything and ur on the right track.
     
  14. RiaanP

    RiaanP Moderator

    Joined:
    11 Aug 2008
    Posts:
    23,142
    Likes Received:
    1,228
    Location:
    Centurion
    Hello and Welcome

    First remember a marine tank is a closed environment. ANYTHING you chuck in there will stay in there. Then you will have all the effort trying to get that crap out. That is why skimmers are used. All other heavy metals etc that is present in our dinking water are now in your tank. With no way of getting them out. OK there are ways.
    Only way you have currently is the algae consuming all this. Now if you were able to pluck it and throw it away... And doing water changes.

    That is why other members recommend a 50% water change. That is 2.5 days RO water from a good filter. At least then you got 50% crap out. Next time you do another 50%, you will still have 25% crap in there. After another 12.5 then 6.25... Get the idea. So that is another 4 weeks before you are at 6% level. Rather dump it all, and take up Pete's offer. Anyway you are looking at 2000L total used for 4 water changes, or 1000L to start over.

    But still your decision
     
  15. Tobes

    Tobes Retired Moderator

    Joined:
    30 Nov 2007
    Posts:
    9,482
    Likes Received:
    118
    Location:
    A Beautiful place!
    In my view it depends on how much micro life, bacteria and critters/pods you have in your tank - the water change method will work if you don't wanna loose all that bacteria and stuff and if you have a lot of patience. It will take lots of water changes but it will eventually be replaced. Some guys may dissagree with this method - but I just feel if it was me, and I have a pot load of goggos in the tank, I really wouldn't want to kill them.

    On the other hand if you don't have any life in the tank other than the mollies, I'd say to chuck all that water and start over - again having patience to wait the 4-6 weeks cycle.
     
Recent Posts

Loading...
Similar Threads - need help lots Forum Date
cree 3w lights help needed(lots) Anything DIY Related 26 Jan 2012
so i need help? lots off it General Discussions and Advice 24 May 2009
Drilling ceiling help needed Anything DIY Related 22 Oct 2016
Help needed for ich Quarantine Tanks, sick fish, QT corals 20 Sep 2016
need help with new tank New Members 27 Aug 2016
Help needed for my Torch coral LPS Corals 26 Aug 2016
Help with LED light needed Lighting 25 Aug 2016