Matured tanks

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  1. jacoc

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    a: How long before you can consider a salt water reef tank being matured how do you know...? and... b: When can one call the system a matured ecosystem, when can one switch all the gadgets of like( reactors; skimmers) and let the system maintain itself except for lights watermovemant and heaters of course and the general maintanance..
    Let me rephrase..Should you find yourself in a position that your gadgets malfunction and you are not at home for some time ...could your system maintain a balance..?
    ... And I refer here to all sizes of tanks from small to extremely large size tanks...
     
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  3. rakabos

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    U would never switch a skimmer off :eek:
     
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    lol +1 even the ocean itself has a built in skimmer. :tt2:
     
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    Besides when your dosing herbatana like i am :)
     
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    I dont think it easy saying after 8 months, or after 2 years or whatever. Each system is different, 2 exactly the same built systems can be very different.

    Personally, I would think you could say it is mature, when everything works , without to much interferance.

    Saying that, a tank system is a closed system ( taking into consideration that you have to do waterchanges, and top-ups etc. ) so thinking out loud here, skimmers, and all the different reactors are almost always neccasary, to keep the system in balance.

    Dosing additives, checking parameters etc. is something you will almost always have to do, because this "closed-system" has to be maintained. If you think of it this way, a system cannot create its own magnesuim, calcuim, strontuim, Iodene etc. , where as the Ocean can - and activley does everyday.

    This is my personal opinion, the Forum Advisors and Guru's would be able to give you a better answer.
     
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    dont get me started on the skimmer issue, mine is off atleat 6 hours a day

    a tank is mature when maximun stability is achieved, by this i mean all the params are in check, changes occur in small amounts and are back to normal naturally.
    eg a dead fish going un-noticed and not causing chaos in the tank. ph being stable, Kh being spot on etc, this can take weeks to months to achieve, obviously the more automation the quicker due to changes being rectified as they happen
     
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    Also if your tank is reliant on your skimmer for nutrient export and you suddenly remove it then your tank is going to go backwards towards instability....

    Depends on how you run your sytem until its percieved as "mature" depends on what your putting in it....depends on how much live rock you have.... so many variables....
     
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    maturity of a system isnt something one can measure, its more about the ability of the system to maintain itself and thats the whole system, skimmers water flow reactors bacteria in LR, bacteria and micro organisms in sand beds etc etc etc. its largely about stability of water parameters and it takes ages to avchieve. a rule of thumb is that it takes close on a year to reach stability of a tank, around a 1.5 years to reach maturity.

    turning off skimmers, reactors internal flow which are all there to help maintain the equalibrium you have worked so hard to obtain is very poor advice.
     
  10. jacoc

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    Now if you say do waterchanges is a must and need to be done weekly or monthly why would you say you stil need the gadgets to keep a balance...what if your gadgets stop working...? could your system stil maintain a balance on it's own...if not surely that system is not fully matured...or maybe even over stocked
     
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    note: watermovemant...

    not giving any advice here...just general discussion...
     
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    agree, maybe even longer. Each tank is different.
    That is why there is no need to hurry things up. It will not go faster, well not by a lot. Nature takes its time, you can make a tree grow faster by watering it, but it will not reach 3meters in 3 months time. It will still take its time. Next year some time you look at the sapling and realize that its now a tree.

    Crucial factor is the tank capability to break down and remove the food you dump into the closed system. Be it extra food that is wasted, big bio-load and a lot of fish poo. Do you have a system where your mechanical filtration is capable to remove what its must. The biological filtration (live rock and DSB and Clean-Up-Crew) can handle waste and detritus. Your chemical filtration can do its magic.

    A mature system in my opinion, Is one that would still rely on mechanical and biological. The Chemical part importance reduce over time. But that again depends on your tank. Multiple anemones and their own chemical warfare needs charcoal to balance the warfare out. Most important part, the DSB, does it have enough in it to do complete the nitrogen cycle? Bio-diversity as in worms, copepods etc? And that is only the things you can see.

    A mature tank is a tank where detritus settlement is not a problem - sorted by CUC. Where diatoms do not bloom. Where cyano bacteria can be found but are in check. Like the back glass of the DSB. Where green hairy algae is not a problem.

    But then, you get over-matured systems. Old tank syndrome. Where the corals overgrown the tank so much, that they start to impact flow from the powerheads. Outgrow into each other. Overshadowing lower corals that once flourished into oblivion. So again, you need to maintain the tank, trim down the big SPS colonies. Remove some live rock that is so encrusted with coraline that they are totally sealed and provide reduced filtration capabilities. Or get an Urchin and accept the possible rock falls.

    So, no, you will never reach that stage where you do not have to do a thing. Water changes are a must, does not matter how old the system. Unless you have your own personal CSI lab, where you can test for each and every mineral and their depletion rate (yeah Abby from NCIS can help me out - grrrr). Then the only way to replenish minerals that you can not measure is by your water change schedule.
     
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    IMPO a matured tank is a tank where the corals are growing out the water and fighting with each other for space to live that is a mature tank.
    Its got nothing to do with the way the tank is setup and maintained and what equipment can be turned off in order for it to function.
     
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    It comes down to what @RiaanP has sayd, waterchanges help replenish used-up elements. If your skimmer fails, you get a new one, same with all the other equipment you use, because the tank will mature on its own way, finding balance with what you have running. If you have a dsb, and suddenly remove it, you'll have problems.. same goes for every other bit you use on it.

    If you read @crispin signature, it makes a good point - dont F__k with something if it works.

    Are you looking at this from a perspective of the Ocean? The ocean is self sustaining because it gets all the elements naturally, and it has taken it millions and millions of years to find a balance..eg. We do RO water top ups, thats like rain falling in the ocean, we have skimmers, thats like high-tide and low-tide, we have powerheads/wavemakers, thats like wave formation.. and the list goes on and on.
     
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    No - THAT is a TOO SMALL tank :whistling: :whistling:

    Hennie
     
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    :lol::lol::lol:
     
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