Marine Magic Doser Timer

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  1. Triton

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    Hey Reefers,

    Im sure alot of you have had dosers etc, so i need a little bit of help please.

    I recently got myself a Marine Magic triple doser, looking at dosing :
    1) Calcium (Red Sea),
    2) Magnesium (Epsom salts mixed in RO water)
    3) KH (Triple Buffer mixed in RO water)

    I am looking to keeping the following parameters :
    KH = 7
    CA = 450 to 500
    Mg = 1450

    I have soft and sps corals..

    Now the thing is how do i decide how to dose, i have worked out the following :

    KH drops by 1 every second day..
    Ca drops by +-35 every second day..
    Mg drops by +-20 every 3rd day..

    Now each pump has 16 on / off setting and could run independently, i cant tell it to dose every 2nd day or 3rd day etc this is where my problem comes..
    Do i dose a little everyday?
     
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  3. Nur

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    I would say you need to test over a week. Check exactly what is used per day for each.
    Then dose as per daily loss. Thats what i would do, but i dont have a doser so have no experienced.
     
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    Daily dosing, spread out through as long a period as possible. Not familiar with exactly what the settings on these dosers allow. Perhaps @Sammy can help.
    As mentioned, split the dosing to replace consumption on a daily basis = stability. For example, your KH drops by 1 in two days, so you want to dose to replace 0.5 per day. Instead of dumping in whatever quantity of buffer solution in a few minutes, spread it throughout the day to further ensure stability.
    Just bear in mind that these pumps are not designed for continuous running. So if you can split the dose of KH over say 8 on off intervals, you are styling.

    Just also make sure that you do not dose CA and Alk simultaneously.
     
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    All advice given is correct, you have 16 dosing periods in 24hours, you must know what your system uses per day then replenish that usage with supplement mix everyday.

    I recommend dosing each supplement every alternate hour 12 times a day. i.e

    KH - 00:00 - 20ml
    Ca - 01:00 - 20ml

    KH - 02:00 - 20ml
    Ca - 03:00 - 20ml

    KH - 04:00 - 20ml
    Ca - 05:00 - 20ml

    etc

    for 12 x

    Hope this helps, give us a shout if you need more info

    It's recommended to dose more times a day than one big dose on various days. That's when dosing the big 3, Kh, Ca, Mg
     
  6. ChrisRaubs

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    If I'm not mistaken, @dallasg also has this doser. He might also be able to give some input... I'm actually also very interested in getting it, instead of getting a kalk reactor...

    My only questions are @irie ivan

    What supplements/stuff can one dose to keep kh, ca, & mg in place? What products/self made mixes do you recommend. I'm gonna be stocking softies and lps only...
     
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    With softies and lps, I reckon Kalkwasser should do you just fine. But seeing you want to put something on a doser, go for seachem reef builder and seachem reef carbonate to maintain alk and for calcium and magnesium I would use reef complete or reef advantage calcium.
     
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    Thanks irie! Much appreciated
     
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    Oops, meant to say get reef builder or reef carbonate for alk.
     
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    Haha,,, :lol: no probs.
     
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    What I find also quite common is the Seachem ReefFusion 1&2 on 2 pumps. Got some great feedback going this way.
     
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    Thanks @Sammy . What do you guys think bout redsea's reef foundation something...?
     
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    Quite honestly, when it gets to Calcium, magnesium and alk supplimentation, there really is not much difference, especially not to justify the prices. If you can get the DIY suppliments and do the effort to work out how much of RHF recipe will ad how much of each "parameter" to your tank it really is the way to go.

    The reason I like the seachem stuff is they tell you on the lable that x amount per tank volume will add x ppm...

    IIRC this is on the fusion as well, but again, IIRC, the fusion is less potent than the reef buffer and reef complete. Also, in my experience, most tanks do not use CA and Alk in balanced ratios.... Alk often needing a bit more.
     
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    Oh ok. I see what you mean.... Ill rather go for the seachem ones...
     
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    I have used RHF recipe 2 and worked well
     
  17. Triton

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    thanks all for your feedback..
    so this is what my plan is..

    I got some "Brightwell Kalk+2 - Kalkwasser Supplement",
    (Contains calcium, strontium, and magnesium in the same ionic ratios found in aragonite.)
    so what im gonna do is :

    1) make a solution of the Kalk+2 mixed in RO water and dose 20ml every alternate hour
    2) also make a solution of Triple buffer mixed in RO water and dose 20ml every alternate hour
    ** @Sammy suggested.

    KH - 00:00 - 20ml - Triple Buffer
    Ca/Mg - 01:00 - 20ml - Kalk+2

    KH - 02:00 - 20ml
    Ca/Mg - 03:00 - 20ml

    KH - 04:00 - 20ml
    Ca/Mg - 05:00 - 20ml

    Any Objections? :)

    Also does anyone know where i can get some more pipe for my doser? think they 3mm wide (smaller than an air pipe)
     
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    @Triton, the 20ml was just mentioned as an example.

    Here is more info and what I do:

    5 Liters over 2 weeks then:

    5000ml/14(days)/12(times a day) = 29.8ml every dose.

    So to sum up, dosing 29.8ml for 12 x a day should make your 5L bottle last for 2 weeks or 14 days.

    The bottle size and how long you want it to last is entirely up to you, but I found the 5L over 2 weeks works great for me.

    Hope this is a little clearer.
     
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    @Sammy
    i'm finally starting the doser you gave me:D

    i'm using the Seachem carbonate alkinility, Seachem magnesium and seachem calcium, all the powder type.

    How would you suggest mixing them with RO, what ratio?



     
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    Hadi, your job is to find out the ratio, this would depend on your supplement and your tank usage, you need to check this to determine you mixture.
     
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    Yep, use the formula on the tubs to work out your consumption and consequent replacement rate. Good question though as to what the maximum qty of each us that can dissolve in a set volume of RO water..
     
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