macro aqua skimmer?

Discussion in 'Protein Skimmers, Mechanical Filtration' started by Relborg, 29 Jul 2011.

  1. Relborg

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    Has anyone had any experience or know anything about these skimmers now I know I need a decent skimmer but can buy one of these "needle wheel" skimmers rated 1200 L for R1000

    Problem is I don't want to buy rubbish but the few posts on the web I can find on these are pretty good (mostly aussie sites)
    Any advice?
     
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    sorry to say they are rubbish, they do not service the amount they say they do effectivley and i have even tried modifying them with OTP pumps to no avail.. the inner piping that delivers the chopped water / bubbles is too small and the skimmer would need a significant amount of modification to work effectivley..
     
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    As leslie has mentioned....if you want a good skimmer you need to pay the higher price.
    i would suggest reefocto, skimz, bubble magus or aqua excel range of skimmers.
     
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    Ok cool, was afraid of that, will go tell my financial director she needs to raise my allowance

    Alternatively I'm looking at a reeftek (I think) TS3

    Oh this is for a 430 L tank with eventually softies and a few(3 or 4) fishies
     
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    From these mentioned I find bubble magus to be priced very well. Personally I'm using a skimz but I think any well designed cone skimmer will satisfy your needs.
     
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    leslie hempel Moderator MASA Contributor

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    there is a nice TS2 for sale in the forsale forums for R800 to R1000.. fantastic skimmer for what you are wanting to do and capable of handling that capacity easily..
     
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    Lots of guys using the TS range, check the for sale forums, you could pick up a second hand one ;-)
     
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    Would the TS2 not be too small, its rated for 500L I thought I was supposed to go for something at least 1,5 times my actual water volume?
     
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    MMMMMM! That worries me, is this true @All the peeps who have more experiance, if that's the case then I am F&%^!?
     
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    The Ts1 is rated for 400l so I will thinnk the Ts2 will be rated for more than 500l
     
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    Check out the bubble magus range also. They seem pretty well priced. Yeah a TS3 is also cool and you can do the enkamat mod on it
     
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    a skimmer's rating is dependant on the conditions its used, for instance the flow rate of the return pump vs flow rate of skimmer pump. Also remember its not just needle wheels nowadays, its mesh wheels and grid wheels aswell!
     
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    gents any skimmer can be rated for any size tank what matters is the stocking level, the higher the stocking level the bigger the skimmer.
    Look at the size of the skimmer and the pump that is on the body, I would say that the TS range of skimmers are all over rated.
    for a 500L tank i would say go for a TS3
     
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    leslie hempel Moderator MASA Contributor

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    a geeral rule of thumb is to take your total water volume double it and get a skimmer for that total.. this is a common thought whith sps systems...
     
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    Les, why would the supliers of protein skimmers state that products are rated for 400l, 500l, etc and then we would need one that is rated at double our tank volume? It doesn't make any business or logcal sense?! I don't have any SPS, but even if I did, and I have a 350l water volume, does this mean my Reefoctopus sss 1000 buble master is not sufficient (rated at 400l)? Eish, this hobby can really be a questionable one at times.
     
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    SPS is hard core reefing. Its the experienced reefer playground so to speak. Those who are successfully running a SPS dominated system generally have the knowledge and experience to know exactly what they need. A SPS system needs to be a low nutrient environment so the idea is to get your water as clean as possible, sometimes even to the point where LPS stops to thrive.

    Companies rate skimmers for the average user. Mixed reef with a few fish.

    SPS dominated systems are less in numbers so these companies don't target these users when marketing their products, they target the average user.

    Now we can start looking at brands:

    A "cheaper" or lower down the food chain company may rate their skimmers for say 500L, however they do not indicate weather their rating is for a a Fish only system a mixed reef system or a SPS dominated system. So easier to produce/build skimmers which are cheaper but less effective but can be rated higher.

    A more recognized brand like skimz for instance will rate their skimmer at 500L as well. But now the difference between the cheapo and the more expensive skimz skimmer would probably be, build quality, a better pump, better design (Cone shape which makes a huge difference) etc. So now skimz rates their more expensive skimmer at 500L as well. But because of the design, quality ect, it will most probably be intended for a mixed reef system, and a more truthful rating compared to the not so well designed cheapo skimmer which probably wouldn't be able to handle a mixed reef so well.

    The rule of thumb is to give you headroom. Everyone wants to try the SPS frag they got here or there. Maybe add a rare fish you found at the LFS but now you're bordering overstocking. Maybe you go away for the weekend and something dies in the tank, the skimmer can now handle that.

    When a company rates a skimmer they don't think about "this guy may have something dead in his tank for a day or two". They stretch the rating to the max to make it more attractive sitting on the store shelf. A few extra bucks on a skimmer could save your whole system which costs allot more. And EVERYONE looses a fish or coral somewhere along the line.

    To come to the TS range.

    You'll find that some sites rate the TS1,2,3 etc higher than others.
    There's 2 reasons for this.

    1st. Reef Octo lowered the the ratings on their older skimmers to make the new ones look more attractive.

    2nd. Different pumps. A bigger pump on the same skimmer increases its effectiveness in most cases and I have seen stores advertise the same skimmers with different pumps rated to handle different amounts of water.

    This is the one piece of the tank you should not skim (no pun intended :tt2:) on, unless you plan on having a but-load of extra live rock and kg's to Rand, the live rock is more expensive.

    Have a :peroni:
     
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    Amen to that and confusing as hell

    Well I went TS2 (cause the TS3 wouldn't fit in my sump) figured out am not gonna stock high as I want to go mostly polyps, mushrooms, bubbles and a brain so should be ok(when I'm big will consider a nemmie), also bought myself some argonite, crushed coral and playsand am planing to use the playsand and argonite for my dsb and mix the rest with crushed coral for my substrate also got a "twin sunsun vibration pump"

    Next emptying my tank and changing my sump layout(will post pics cause gonna need advice there :) ) then add rocks and water. Then my light ( oh my hat am still confused with lighting) still also need to get my hydrometer, some more test kits and that's that

    Am getting there slowly but surely
     
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    firstly its not the suppliers recomendation it, is a general consensious among reefkeepers, moreso because it is a safety net.

    having a bigger skimmer allows you to more quickly skim out any nasties in the event of an emergency arising, limiting the negitive ripple effect that could be seen on coral due to the mishap.. (overdosing,death of a fish, high nutrients in general)

    a smaller skimmer will do the job but takes longer to render the same result hence a bigger one being suggested to fulfil this function..

    the cleaner the system is required to be owing to the species kept the bigger the skimmer i would recomend..

    you cannot overskim, a skimmer simply does not pull any more muck when it has cleansed the system and will resume to pull when DOC's are added again..

    sps are sensitive to change so it is almost a must in this case that this rule be followed. unless other measures are in place (eg: more frequent water changes )

    for more nutrient loving corals it could be detremental to follow the above suggestion in excess as it could starve them of a foodsorce..

    it comes to the right tool for the right job..

    this is a hotly contested topic on many forums and still far from concluded..
     
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