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Howzit. I started a tank recently and have slowly added a few things. Started with 2 small clowns, starfish, 2 hermit, 2 turbo snails and a small starfish. Yesterday I bought a cleaner ras, (blue and black) after being advised in LFS. Last night I couldnt find him and thought he died, so read up in my book about him. IT STATES THAT THEY ARE FISH TO STAY AWAY FROM AT ALL COSTS??? This morning he reappeared, which was cool....but are they cool? Brendan Advise on the next few fish I should get taking into consideration I will be keeping soft coral.
 
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The cleaner wrasse don't normally do well in captivity so be prepared.

Your next fish will depend on how big your tank is and how old ?
 

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howzit brendan i also had a cleaner and it died after about 2 months,they reackon it needs parasites to feed on off other fish.maybe the gurus can elaborate a bit more,personally i wont get another.
 
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Also this species is really being wiped out in the wild so, really tell every and anyone to rather leave in the sea.

 
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375ltr display with 90ltr sump. Only 3 weeks old!! got lots of live rock and my water has been awesome since the beginning. Nitrites none existent from the beginning, pH and salinity 100%. Been quite lucky. What goby's should I get to filter the aragonite? What other fish are hardy and pretty to start with?
 
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375ltr display with 90ltr sump. Only 3 weeks old!! got lots of live rock and my water has been awesome since the beginning. Nitrites none existent from the beginning, pH and salinity 100%. Been quite lucky. What goby's should I get to filter the aragonite? What other fish are hardy and pretty to start with?
Great fish to start with:

Bi-Clour Blenny / Midas Blenny
Chromis
Clownfish
Coral Baeuty
Hawkfish
Firefish

Remember not all at once !
 

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Hi Brendan - just to clear things up about the cleaner wrasse.
Most of the cleaner's we receive are still small - they have extremely small and specialized mouth designs, which only allows them to eat a certain type of food. The bigger cleaners are more likely to survive, because their mouths are bigger, and they can take bigger food. They also adapt easier to eating either frozen or even flake food (crushed)....

So - newly imported marine fish are usually starved for a few days (to a week) before being shipped, so the fish mostly land here in SA already malnutrioned.... And without decent food they mostly die within a short period of times...
 

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heard an interestin stat tove the weekend..apparantly of all the marine fish caught for the pet trade, only 2% will survive.
 

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459b - I will easily believe this. It is actually a VERY sad state of affair..... I just wish that the people who catch these fish, can do something (I dunno - perhaps feed them longer?? keep them longer to strengthen/acclimatize? I dunno) to make the changes of survivability much higher...... BUT fact is - these poor animals are subjected to the worst of stresses..... and as far as I know, starved as well (not fed - else they poop in the bags they are shipped in - this alone becoming toxic, and they are "drugged" with CO2 as well)..... And then man-handled most likely, either at the source or perhaps at the importer/LFS?
 

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the obvious answer is to start breeding them. Ive brought this up with some LFS but they claim they have agreements with fish collectors and cannot now buy from breeders. The market in this country isnt big enough to make full scale farming profitable. A good start would be educating people on what fish not to touch (like moorish idols, cleaner wrasses etc) and thus stop their import.
 

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