Urgent help needed leather coral

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  1. butcherman

    butcherman Moderator MASA Contributor

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    got a new pinchusion over the weekend from a fellow reefer. when i picked it up it looked healthy. got it home aclimatised it and it was not extended.

    looks like it was molding but now id almost say there are bits falling off.
    the actual coral has a funny smell but im told thats how they smell.

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    water parameters are as follows
    nh3 = 0
    no2 = 0
    no3 = 5
    ca = 460
    mg = 1380
    sg 1.025
    temp = 25.5
    po4 = 0.01
    alk = 7
    ph = 8.4

    i do 10% wc a month.

    Any ideas on what i need to do?
     
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  3. deadmeat2016

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    Bummer dude, as far as i know, no coral has a particular 'smell', if they stink, they are dying. I lost a leather coral suddenly a couple months ago, tried dipping it, quarinting it, completely fragging it but nothing helped.
     
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    i agree
     
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    LOL So if one biffs one is ready for the box. :whistling: :whistling::whistling: get into bed with the wife after handling a healthy coral and see if you are allowed to remain there.:nono:;)

    Seriously. Three things to consider.

    1) Predation by a pest.
    2) bacterial infection
    3) Warfare.

    Before we take action we need some more info for consideration.

    like how long has/is the deterioration taking? how long has the coral been in it position? what corals are close by? water flow around the coral etc. What other corals are thriving in the tank. what other soft corals do you have?
     
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    butcherman Thread Starter Moderator MASA Contributor

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    hope this helps us out
     
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    The first thing to do is gently wave the coral in the water. If a powder substance starts to come off the coral it is to far gone and removal is the best else it will pollute your tank. If the skin of the coral is still firm then i recomend a dip in an iodine solution or tropic Marines "pro coral cure". After the dip i would cut the infected part off the coral. Do not be stingy when cutting. Cut at least 2-3mm into the good part of the coral. This will ensure that bacteria and possible small predators are removed. Then dip again and replace in the tank. If you have a QT tank it would be better to place the coral there for observation. Hope this helps and keep us updated.
     
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    butcherman Thread Starter Moderator MASA Contributor

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    What happens if it starts producing powder? what about the other life stock in the tank? BIG wc?
    i have been waving water over the corals every now and then to check but it seems like skin. water dose seem hazy white.
    The coral is firm but it looks like the bacteria is ating at certain tips and sections. How would be the best way to cut the coral?
    I have iodine soloution it recomends a 2ml per i liter and soak for an hour, should i follow this?
    After cutting all this off do i leave it on the rock its on?
    Should i quarintine it?

    sorry for all these questions
     
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    No worries. The more you ask the better.
     
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    Sorry to hear dude! This isn't the other one from Adee right?

    *edit* Ignore my comments. For some reason I read pincushion and not leather. I need to get caffeine
     
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    Is this not a classic case of a leather coral sulking after a move?
    The smell, is it a rotting bait type smell or just that typical "bitter" coral smell?
     
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    butcherman Thread Starter Moderator MASA Contributor

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    bitter not rotting smell. if you look at the tips of the coral in the pic its like its rotting though
     
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    :razz: considered yourself ignored:razz: no not from adee
     
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    Eish, I dont know enough about these things to offer any good advice !
    My common sense tells me if it still smells okay, there is still hope of a recovery. Maybe time to trim off some of the tips that look like they are decaying????

    Need some more educated opinions on this matter.
     
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    I've also noticed through a lot of different leather species, that sometimes ones that look like they are dying, rotting, do make it... it is hard to say keep it or turf it
    coz sometimes a portion will heel, maybe even just a corner and then proceed to grow into a healthy large coral... I have had a few corals that people were going to throw out that recovered so nicely... definately keep it clean by holding it near a powerhead every day or so to clean off debris... even some of the small pieces that do come off live!... maybe do extra water changes over this time to stop unneeded pollution to the Tank
     
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    butcherman Thread Starter Moderator MASA Contributor

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    i am cleaning it twice a day, should i not move it to a higher flow area?
     
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    butcherman Thread Starter Moderator MASA Contributor

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    ok so got home tonight
    tested parameters all the same but NH3 is up to 0.25ppm
    examined leather

    this pic is 24 hours after first pics
    yesterday
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    today
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  18. Nemos Janitor

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    Bud it is to far gone. Remove it and try and save some good frag able bits. Tomorrow it will be a mess. Keep any frags in the QT tank and do the iodine thing. Also dose one dose of iodine to your tank. Just to kill any possible bacteria that may be in your tank.
     
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    Bummer butcher dude, alot similar to my situation, good one for trying though. Thanks mr janitor for all advice here, i learned a thing or 2. Although butcher, when this happened to mine, i had a nennie and brain coral in the tank aswell and they wernt affected :) Good luck man
     
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    butcherman Thread Starter Moderator MASA Contributor

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    so its a bacterial infection?
    how do i know if i have cut off to much what makes a good fragable bit?
     
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    I have a pi cushion frag the size of your thumbnail and it is thriving... IMO, according to the photos posted, that very far left top piece still has some color and tissue with polyps showing.

    My best bet would be to keep that as frag, even if just a small one.

    Sorry for your loss, it is never nice to see any ocean creature in such a state...
     
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