Large system water changes

Discussion in 'General Discussions and Advice' started by Mekaeel, 7 Jun 2007.

  1. Mekaeel

    Mekaeel Moderator MASA Contributor

    Joined:
    8 May 2007
    Posts:
    24,229
    Likes Received:
    127
    Location:
    Point Waterfront Durban
    hey there crew.lets take for eg. 1000L display, 200L sump , 150L refugium.
    total water volume 1350L
    now the 10% water change,will it be done on the entire volume of water or only on the display?anyone out there who does the 10% water change on the entire system or just the display?
    in my case the entire system
    cool
     
  2. AdS Guest




    to hide all adverts.
  3. Afsal

    Afsal

    Joined:
    7 May 2007
    Posts:
    2,314
    Likes Received:
    21
    Location:
    Dbn,Kzn
    u wud a 10% water change on 1350 lt of water !!!
     
  4. ed

    ed

    Joined:
    1 Jun 2007
    Posts:
    230
    Likes Received:
    6
    Location:
    Bloemfontein
    i have a volume of 3000L and i work my water changes to this volume, my sump is 1000L, i see this as part of the system that must be changed
     
  5. Copperband

    Copperband

    Joined:
    7 May 2007
    Posts:
    842
    Likes Received:
    2
    Location:
    Jo'kwane
    I do 10% complete system volume, water changes per week
     
    Last edited: 8 Jun 2007
  6. cybervic

    cybervic

    Joined:
    4 Jun 2007
    Posts:
    453
    Likes Received:
    6
    Location:
    Kimberley
    uhm I cannot remember where I've seen the article, but they have done some research on water changes over a one year period and found that changing 30% of the total volume monthly is the most viable option. Does not matter if you do 30 x 1%, 3 x 10% or 1 x 30% over a month period. The end result stays the same, lower nitrates.

    They started off with a tank with nitrates at 100ppm with a bio load and over a period of a year doing 30% monthly the nitrates came down to less than 10ppm. I'll see if I can find the article again. Imho it is worth reading if you are unsure if your water changes is worth anything or thinking of stopping water changes in total.
     
  7. Carl

    Carl

    Joined:
    6 May 2007
    Posts:
    121
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Randburg
    Makaeel

    Your total system and dont be shy you have a big pond next to you, just suck from there. Us gauteners with synth salt after dosing and all other really have the short end when you flush 500l at between R3 to R4 per liter down the drain.

    Carl
     
  8. Smithers

    Smithers

    Joined:
    7 May 2007
    Posts:
    1,097
    Likes Received:
    10
    Location:
    Hillcrest
    I have been doing 50l a night at the moment ! Been doing it for 4 days now going onto day #5. Ro and Synth :(

    Anyway Mekaeel I would say it is on the total system volume. No point in skimping.
     
  9. Copperband

    Copperband

    Joined:
    7 May 2007
    Posts:
    842
    Likes Received:
    2
    Location:
    Jo'kwane
    Gavin, why synth and not sea water?

    Also is Capt. Watson helping?
     
  10. Smithers

    Smithers

    Joined:
    7 May 2007
    Posts:
    1,097
    Likes Received:
    10
    Location:
    Hillcrest
    Cannot get to the beach every day and I want to get rid of my cynao problem. Cappy Watson helped out by giving me some good RO water.

    This weekend though I am getting 500 odd litres of NSW.
     
  11. Dober Man

    Dober Man

    Joined:
    7 May 2007
    Posts:
    486
    Likes Received:
    4
    Location:
    Capital of India
    Yeah, took him some RO.

    We will be collecting water tomorrow for his taks and my tanks. Mekaeel, you are welcome to join us, will have a dive and a case of beers after.
     
  12. KevinW

    KevinW

    Joined:
    6 May 2007
    Posts:
    342
    Likes Received:
    4
    Location:
    Hillcrest
    Slightly off topic (sorry Mekaeel!) but would the bioload in your system not be an important factor in determining both volumes and frequency of water changes?
     
  13. Dober Man

    Dober Man

    Joined:
    7 May 2007
    Posts:
    486
    Likes Received:
    4
    Location:
    Capital of India
    I agree with Kevin that bioload etc would be a factor in determining volume and frequency of water changes. My philosophy is: change as much water as you can, as often as you can.
     
    Last edited: 8 Jun 2007
  14. Smithers

    Smithers

    Joined:
    7 May 2007
    Posts:
    1,097
    Likes Received:
    10
    Location:
    Hillcrest
    I wonder if you can do too many water changes though ? There must be point that you get to where you are taking out too many of the beneficial bacteria ?
     
  15. Dober Man

    Dober Man

    Joined:
    7 May 2007
    Posts:
    486
    Likes Received:
    4
    Location:
    Capital of India
    Dude, your bacteria are generally clinging to your rock, and with us using NSW with bacteria in it, i don't see us being able to do any harm in that way.
     
  16. Smithers

    Smithers

    Joined:
    7 May 2007
    Posts:
    1,097
    Likes Received:
    10
    Location:
    Hillcrest
    But if you use synthetic ?
     
  17. KevinW

    KevinW

    Joined:
    6 May 2007
    Posts:
    342
    Likes Received:
    4
    Location:
    Hillcrest
    IMO what will affect the bacterial population is the fact that their nutrient levels are fluctuating rapidly with every water change. I think that less frequent water changes allows for a more stable bacterial (microbial) population to develop that will be related to the nutrient levels (and bioload) in your system.
     
  18. Dober Man

    Dober Man

    Joined:
    7 May 2007
    Posts:
    486
    Likes Received:
    4
    Location:
    Capital of India
    But if you do more fequent water changes, the dissolved nutrient levels will be much lower, therefore you won't need as much bacterial life.
     
  19. Mekaeel

    Mekaeel Thread Starter Moderator MASA Contributor

    Joined:
    8 May 2007
    Posts:
    24,229
    Likes Received:
    127
    Location:
    Point Waterfront Durban
    good question kevin.we just take it for granted that,eg 10% water change weekly.in my case i just do 10-12 % weekly just to be on the safe side.we dont take into consideration our water parameters before doing the change...but then again this topic can go on.lets see what some of our gurus gotta say
     
  20. Mekaeel

    Mekaeel Thread Starter Moderator MASA Contributor

    Joined:
    8 May 2007
    Posts:
    24,229
    Likes Received:
    127
    Location:
    Point Waterfront Durban
    where you guys colecting from EJ?at the moment i am using RO and sythetic though but wouldn mind using NSW again
     
  21. KevinW

    KevinW

    Joined:
    6 May 2007
    Posts:
    342
    Likes Received:
    4
    Location:
    Hillcrest
    IMO you need to be trying to ahieve a stable system. To achive this with frequent water changes you need to be sure that the water that you are using is "stable" / has limited variation in terms of its chemistry. Given the variablilty in the coastal water quality of KZN, especially in the vicinity of Durban, I don't know if your system will be able to stabilise.

    I agree with Smithers comment regarding synthetic seawater though. Here your input water quality may be stable, but the microbial populations levels will be bouncing all over the place in response to changes in nutrient levels.
     
Recent Posts

Loading...
Similar Threads - Large system water Forum Date
[wtd] Large Skimmer... Rated for a 2000L system Wanted 13 Mar 2014
New Video: Large Reef Tank System Video Threads 19 Nov 2013
what is a large system General Discussions and Advice 23 Jan 2012
Large coral system General Discussions and Advice 3 Aug 2010
[wtd] Large skimmer 2000l and over Wanted Wednesday at 05:04
coral help for covering a large surface area General Discussions and Advice Tuesday at 12:03
Large Leopard Moray Eel R2500 Pet Lovers Emporium 8 Nov 2016