Is this possible or not? V2

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  1. neil.h

    neil.h

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    Skimmer for my tank has been ordered from George, but the problem is, its only arriving in a months time. Stupid volcano! FW stock should be going over the weekend, so prep should start next week.

    Now I'm getting cured LR from Furbz and possibly the substrate as well. Would lights off, no throughput through the skimmer ie no sump = massive die off on the LR?

    Or run with only a DSB till my skimmer arrives?
     
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  3. Mekaeel

    Mekaeel Moderator MASA Contributor

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    Run the system in the meantime without the skimmer. It will be fine. It might just take a little longer to cycle.
     
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    neil.h Thread Starter

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    Surely there will be very little cycling as the LR is already from a running system? The DSB will obviously need to be seeded though
     
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    things like glass do not need to cycle!

    Live Rock, Sand that needs to get bacteria

    make sure you feed your system with ammonia so that the bacteria can survive.

    food will work as well

    but I am not the pro just what makes sense to me & my understanding of bacteria
     
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    Mekaeel Moderator MASA Contributor

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    Very true, but if there is die off from the LR, it will not be as short as expected :)
     
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    The second you remove a piece of live rock from a tank, things start to die. So now imagine you driving in your car with the live rock, you can't control the temperature, some stuff will die. Now with sand as soon as you disturb the sand, the bacteria that was living in an oxygen deprived region suddenly gets oxygen and dies. This all contributes to some form of die off. There is no harm in running a tank without a skimmer and if anything it will help your DSB to seed quicker, as long as you wait for your skimmer until you start adding livestock you will be fine.
     
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    What causes die off? who transports Live rock out of water?

    surely people would put the rock in a bucket & just cover the rock with water from the tank? getting the rock out the tank & dry for a second should not cause major die off in fact really if any!

    just try keep the bio load the same bacteria needs food
     
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    Sponges die the second they are exposed to air, so unless you manage to take the rock out of the tank without removing it from water you will be fine.
     
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    Vatso, Manic has explained what causes the die off. 99% of the time, LR is transported out of water, just kept moist in plastic.
     
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    Also ask how many people move rocks around in their tank or remove them to do some work & or catch fish? how many of them have die off that causes major ammonia spikes?

    Also you could use seachem stability if you worried about the die off
     
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    When I setup my new tank & moved my stuff around I still have all my sponge I did remove the Live Rock but put it straight into a bucket of water.
     
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    Not major Amonia spikes, but it can cause a system to go through a mini cycle. Lots of reefers have had this issue, including me. The first sign will be a diatom blooms.
    You right, Seachem Stability will sort out this issue.
     
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    I'm just saying this is what I heard. I recently redid the aquascaping on my new tank. This involved me removing most of my rock from the water and drilling it so I can place carbon rods in it to stack it nicely. I'm sure a lot of stuff died as some of the rock were out the water for like 5 mins. Nothing has happened to my tank yet, it has been like 2 weeks...
     
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    I am with you guys rather safe then sorry & the skimmer is only going to arrive in a month so that should be enough time for the mini cycle.
     
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    apparently some people(not me) even recommend not running skimmer during cycling.(ive read it somewhere.) if the only bio load is liverock skimmer absent is not a problem tho
     
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    Thanks for all the replys guys. Will probably only start adding softies/zoas a month after the skimmer has been running, so around 3 months after filling. Fish a couple of months after that

    Manic don't you mean acrylic rods?
     
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    Stability rocks.
     
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    this would be to allow the pod population to multiply without being skimmed out.. many people also put their skimmers off at night during the irst stages of maturing for the same purpose
     
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