Is this a good buy??

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  1. Jacojs

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    Howzit everybody!!

    I would like to know if this is a good buy and if it can be changed into something spectacular ;) I don't want to go too small due to the bigger is better thing, I also need to know about stocking options. It sounds like a good deal but just want to make sure from the people that are in the know.

    By the way I'm not into the whole soccer thing really but the mood and party is just CRAZY at MonteCasino :yeahdude:

    Main Tank Dimensions is as follows:

    Length: 650mm
    Width: 450mm
    Height 600mm

    Stand and White Cabinet included.


    Sump Tank Dimensions is as follows:

    Length: 650mm
    Width: 400mm
    Height: 350mm

    4x Chambers
    1x 300w Heater
    1x Over head Pump PH2500

    Total of 500 to 600 liters both sump and main tank

    Lights:

    2x 2000W Blue Light
    1x White Light

    7Kg Live Kenyan Rock
    1x Coral
    1x Hermit Crab
    1x Turbo Snail
    1x Hydro Meter

    1x Domino Damsel
    1x Banggai Cardinal

    Extra’s include:

    Salt water
    Rough Corals
    Marine Fish Food

    Total sell price:

    R4000.00
     
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  3. scubaninja

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    The thing these days about selling tanks is no one wants to buy second hand, and it drives prices right down so you basically end up giving the things away. Which sucks big time. So depending on the actual quality of these things it might be an OK buy, but for the size of the tank, R4000 is pretty steep. Do you have pictures? I wouldnt take this personally, its too small for most things, and stocking list would be small. And it doesnt mention a skimmer. Which you would need. So IMO dont take this, you can build a bigger one yourself for less (obviously minus all the equipment) and be off to a good start.
     
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    Thanks for your opinion Scuba. What I posted was actually from the mail I recieved from the seller so I didn't calculate the water volume.

    I think the Coral is an open brain but not sure. Not sure about the salt and the Rough corals are in the middle 2 chambers of the sump, he has no DSB.

    I originally wanted a 1200mm X 900mm X 600mm, which to me is quite big, and this is almost exactly half of what I wanted yet you say its too small for most things?? What would your ideal starting DT and sump size be then? Please remember I am not rich ;) BTW he does have a skimmer with it and I don't know what size or make.

    Jaco.
     
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    I do have pics but cant upload right now.

    Jaco.
     
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    Okay Pics here, little bit bad quality but all I have.

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    well the skimmer was good a long time ago but not anymore.

    the tank looks nice tho and i think its perfect to start with depending on lights.
     
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    Not a "BAD" deal just my thoughts....

    Narrow tanks are very difficult to scape properly
    That tank is quite deep for the "lights" mentioned
    The sump can work with some re design...would be some effort though
    You would probably want to get rid of the domino damsel in a few moths..they are terrors

    The LS is not really something to write home about...as is the skimmer

    Sorry to say bud, as scuba mentioned, you could build the same size / bigger for less

    trust me ..rather take longer, spend a bit more and make it an enjoyable experience with healty LS etc....or you might end up like a lot of reefers I have spoken to / met this system could end up on classifieds after a few moths :p (not due to fault on your side)

    My 2C
     
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    Okay cool I get it go bigger :razz:

    What size would be recommended as a good start? I want a 1200mm X 900mm X 600mm space permitting that is, would I be able to keep about 10 hermits about 20 snails, 2 clowns, a dory, a mandarin(later), zoas, frogspawn, nennie(later), urchin or 2, 2 to 3 cleaner shrimp, boxer shrimp, goby with fin on back(name escapes me right now), maybe 2 shrimp that chow stars(name escapes me also) when I have sustainable food source. Thats all I can think of right now, oh yeah and a couple of tube/fan worms??

    Is this too much bioload for intended size tank?

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    continuing with whats been said already, i think a 4ft is the perfect starting tank, not too big, not too small. When i said keep most things, i meant tangs, the bigger stuff mainly. In that i think you would be pressed to only keep small things. Rough corals? lol we call those things chicken bone ;) detritus trap of note.. Needs to be tossed, good for frag plugs though:whistling:

    1200L*900W*600H is a very cool size, i think i would have gone wider with my build had i not been so set on going to a ''smaller volume'' from my 2m. I think 600H is ideal, as it can still use 10mm glass and be safe. For 5 grand, i 'fully' stocked my first 4ft. granted it was 450*450, 6mm glass and had a small ts1 and no woodwork, so pretty low tech. I had all the essentials though, corals, fish, equipment. So dont stress. It can be done. If you are tight for cash ( as we generally all are ) build it bit by bit. Building the tank yourself/friends, can save you a fair wack of cash. If you want i can post an excel file(hennies glass thickness calculator) i edited to include other things, like total glass cost and volumes etc. I dont want to p1ss hennie off by claiming on work he's done(which i'm not), maybe if its an issue i can make my additions into a separate excel and you can work between the two. Not a stress. It helps to figure out what you want when you can see all the numbers infront of you. It also takes into account electricity costs and power usage which helps when you go bigger with tanks.. So tell me if i should post it.
     
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    too many inverts would start killing each other... so rethink that a bit. And just add slowly. you'll see when its too much
     
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    Okay? Crabs killing snails or crabs killing shrimp or shrimp killing shrimp....I read that one can have 10 hermits for every 100L of water and I read on another thread somewhere someone has 30 hermits so I am confused now :huh:

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    ok, i think 10 hermits to that much water is about the overstocking thing, but another thing you have to think about to determine the amount of hermits is will there be enough food for all of them? I have 8 (i think i still have 8) in a 420L tank and they kill each other due to a low level of food (lots of flow and not a lot of detritus). The inverts part i was talking about was shrimp killing shrimp - overcrowding, snails will die off if there isn't enough food, the hermits will kill each other as well.:whistling:
     
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    Oi dude :( So its all about finding balance then? Theoretically what I want to do should work fine then because they will kill each other off to create the right balance :whistling: Just joking.

    I dont know about building my own DT but I think I'll give the sump a whack when I get there eventually. I have looked at the glass thickness calc, very handy will definately download at my house tomorrow including the electricity one.

    Suggest to me then what inverts and how many of each I can keep in a 1200L X 900W X 600H DT out of the ones I mentioned, here they are again.

    Hermit Crabs/Dwarf Hermits
    Nassarius Snails
    Cleaner Shrimp
    Brittle stars
    Harlequin Shrimp (I know what they eat, will get a sustainable food source first)
    Tuxedo pincushion Urchins
    Tube/Fan Worms

    Thanks
    Jaco
     
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    I wouldnt put starfish or any extra inverts or anything until the tank was settled and there was plenty of food. So start with say 5 hermits, and later on when the algae hits maybe the same number of snails. The nassarius is the dove snail yes? the one that lives in the sand? I am sooooo keen for some of those if you know where i can get some?
    Brittle stars, wait until the tank has a fair amount of food for them. All the shrimp in fact. After the cycle, and say a month or two after you can think about your shrimp. Harlequins eat stars, so not compatible with any star that isnt food. I'm not personally a fan of an urchin, as they knock over corals, but its up to you, also later though. Tube worms and fan worms are nice little guys to have in moderation. I would wait with the fan worms as they reproduce WAY too fast.

    So, in assuming you will have enough food for all...
    10 hermits
    10 snails
    1 star/ 2 harlequins
    urchins arent hard to keep fed if there is algae on the glass
    tube worms - go nuts
     
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    Cool thanks Scuba and unfortunately I don't know about the snails but I will keep you in mind if I find some.

    Anybody else like to comment or make sugestions? Mods should I open a new thread or maybe you can change the name to invert stocking or something cause this one changed from what it was originally opened for??

    Jaco.
     
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    its the weekend bud. you're not going to get many replies
     
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    Height too high , but this is me, and as Jacques suggested, I'd go for a bit wider tank, but..... if you have the tank already, you just have to work around it.
    Regarding the stocking options, I gave G-Man, you can work it out, according to your tank and sump size:

    Live rock.....................at least 1kg per 7.5 liters

    Sand...........................4.5kg per .5m2 of tank bottom =25mm deep

    snails..........................1 per every 5 - 7 liters

    hermits.......................1 per every 9 - 18 liters

    fish.............................initially........ .... 25mm per 18 liters

    eventual max...75mm per 18 liters

    water movement..........20+ times the tank's capacity per hour (ideally)

    lighting........................for corals...4 watts per 4 liters
     
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