Is it possible to have a pest-free tank from the get-go and keep it that way?

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  1. RocketRooster

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    And by pest-free I mean, completely sterile in terms of the organisms you don't want?

    Or is that an impossible dream?
     
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    You probably can if you start up with base rock and have a proper quaranteen in place for all new coral and fish going into your tank.
     
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    How will one seed the rock and DSB (if you have one) without introducing nasties?
     
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    You dose with bateria from products like special blend etc.
    This method would take your tank longer to mature/stabilise but you will minimalise the nasties.

    EDIT: Also put in a piece of prawn to help start the cycle.
     
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    Those bacteria dosing products really work? I thought it was snake oil?
     
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    Why do you want a sterile tank?
    Anything you add will bring unwanted, dipping corals , treating fish and vigilant husbandry will keep your tank healthy
     
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    Don't want a sterile tank - just want it sterile from the nasties.
     
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    And dont forget Quarantine @dallasg.

    But the reality is, that even with dipping, quarantine and vigilant husbandry, you are bound to end up with the odd pest or so.
     
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    I agree, what nasties are worrying you?

    You can always choose your fish to serve a purpose, eg I have 6 line wrasse to keep clams pest free, tangs for gha, copperband and long nose butterfly for aiptasia and worms etc
     
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    OK. Here's my next n00b question :). If you get a pest, say Ich or Aiptaisia or whatever, and you manage to get it to disappear... is it really gone for good, assuming you don't introduce anything to the tank?
     
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    Yes and no, the secret to fish disease is to keep fish healthy, well fed and stress free
     
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    i started off with 180kg of uncured LR and slowly diliogently removed aptasia and pistol shrimps which i didnt want. I was basically pest free for two years when I introduced aptasia on a frag from a LFS and i still only have 4 aptasia as pests (will die when i rescape soonish). Its possible to use good quality LR and be dilligent to keep out unwanted pests and algaes.

    That tank is pest and WS free with zero sign of viable algae on LR. Its now up to me to keep it that way and thus i dip every corals and inspect all LR for aptasia or pests before introducing them and all fish are quarenteened and conditioned (additional feeding to build strength before introducing to DT). Its a pain in the ass doing it all, but makes life so much easier in the long run.

    its possible, but hard work
     
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    Depends on whether you got rid of it or not. Lets take for example aiptasia. Unless you kill every cell where the anemone was, the remaining parts will regenerate and eventually spread. In the event of an aiptasia colony having walked around on a rock (yes they do that) you might have been able to get rid of the entire polyp and all its cells in fissures in the rock, BUT the pedal lacerates (little pieces of the "foot which rub off whilst walking) will eventually grown.

    In my opinion, one never gets rid of whitespot either. The cysts, are always in the water or on the rocks, just waiting for an opportunity to flourish.... That opportunity arises when we stress our fish..
     
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    as in 'out of sight out of mind??' the answer is NO. many diseases have various phases to their life cycle which are not visable to naked eye and thus you are not free of the disease, just free of the visable signs of it. I seriously suggest reading up on WS and its cycles, ionvalluable knoweldge when keeping marines.

    Aptasia is fairly similar in that they can often retract deep into LR and wait till its safe to reapear. Best to kill them out right in my opinion.
     
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    Thanks for the info, guys!
     
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    Anytime, remember don't worry to much about the tank, if you take it slow and understand the processes this hobby will reward you

    Join our next reef meeting in jan
     
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    Wottenwhere is that?
     
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    There is a section on masa called social groups, there is a masa Jhb group, join up
     
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    It will never really disapear, you just won't notice it. Did you know that we breath in millions of germs on a daily basis. Flu ect. But only ever notice it when we get sick. Whats really happening is that your amune system was overloaded and thats why you got sick. Same happens in nature. When you had an aptasia outbreak, and treated it to a point where you can't see it anymore anywhere........its still there, lurking and waiting for you to become lazy with your maintenance routine!!


    Oh and just on a side note, DON'T ever use copper anywhere near your tank. Copper works on fresh watertanks. But are deadly to marine!!!!!
     
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