Interesting way of removing waste - Vodka and Bubble technique as well as DSB

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  1. Itsme

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    Hi All,

    I took a little page out of Mekaeel story (featured tank) and have been reading about Vodka and using a mass of fine bubbles to remove waste etc.

    I found this very interesting link, well interesting reading for newbies I suppose. I was wondering if any of the more experienced guys have use the fine bubble flotation filtration approach referred to in the link below - I found most of the stuff quite interesting but would appreciate some of you more clued up guys commenting on what this chap says.

    A Three Foot Square Challenge by John Laurenson - Reef Hobbyist Online Magazine

    DSB Question :-

    I also would like to understand if a DSB can be successfully integrated into a sump that has not been designed for it and where space is an issue. I have seen some explanations on the net about a DSB in a bucket. In my current setup I dont have space for a DSB in another tank but could find space for a DSB in a bucket, does this work or is it just a waste. DSB or not DSB in a bucket?

    I have plans on building a bigger and better tank now that I have learned a bit. I saw this DSB design and was wondering if its something I should price up and have it made, or if someone has a better design or ideas?

    Here's the link to the DIY DSB - would like to know if you guys think it will work?

    DIY 4

    Cheers

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    Mekaeel Moderator MASA Contributor

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    been throughthat article before,very interesting read!but should a tank have clams in it,i would personally not try that gush of bubbles as the clams may get trapped with air pockets.
    A,DSB can be integrated into a sump using either baffels or just a plastic bucket with about 12-15cm of sand, plumbed to your sump.the DSB in your link seems pretty interesting.
     
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    I've sent the design off to a couple of places to see how much it would cost to make - will keep you posted on the outcome.

    The Vodka seems to be having a good effect on water quality - been dosing for 2 days now and certainly it seems to have brightened things up but I might have had a sip or two whilst looking at the tank. :)

    My side walls and front glass are all clear of green algae but the back glass has a fair amount - should I clean this off or will the Vodka eventually just starve it of NO3 and PO4 and other food?
     
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    I would not pump my system full of bubbles does tend to worry some corals if the air pocket gets trapped. A DSB in a bucket certainly isn't a waste of time, use an ice cream container or such fill with sand and submerge into the sump area will work out fine.
     
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    ive experimented with the idea before.decided to give it a go again now that ive sold my clams.heres some pics
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    note the slime,and ive also noticed better polyp extension on my corals 5 minutes after bubbles settled
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    Mekaeel, polyp extension is not necessarily a good thing in all instances. I had my pumps off for an hour (Eksdom load shedding) and I have never seen polyp extension like that on my SPS
     
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    yes i am aware of that.just showing what it has done ;)
     
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    The increased polyp extension is the corals way of raising their arms and screaming "Get me outta here"
     
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    and polyp extension at night?or when they feed?
     
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    Most of the time its a great thing
     
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    yes thats why on the zeo guide Coral vitalizer is best dosed at lights out,when polyps are fully expanded
     
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    i was just thinking,what about when waves crash over a coral reef.the entire area is covered with bubbles.and these corals grow and show colour
     
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    so getting back to my question

    there seems to be some concensous that it might not be a bad thing - so I'm gonna try it - if it looks like the Corals "enjoyed it" then I'm planning on keeping them happy and I'll sprinkle a few bubbles over them every so often

    As for the DSB - really an ice cream container in the sump - I though a DSB needed to be fairly large - hense the bucket idea. If you guys recon a ice cream container will work then I'm sure I can make some space for that.

    If I were to implement a bucket outside the sump how much water must I pump through the bucket per hour?

    Oh and what do I put in the bucket sea sand from Ispingo :)
     
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    Vodca works

    Vodca works
     
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    tell me about it,check my new Avatar :thumbup:
     
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    all i can say that it does work removes waste,and my corals looks 100 times better my lps is growing at a massive rate and sps is showing some yellow and green and purple
     
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    really helps in exporting nutrients.i was amazed when i just started and saw the skimmate i was getting in like 2 days as compared to how it was before the vodka route
     
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    What is the story and chemistry around adding Vodka ?
     
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