I'm a newbie and need diy advice

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  1. Leon Clifford

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    Hey.
    I'm new to the hobby. Need advice to turn this room into a tank.
    Room size 2m x 2.1m x 3m high. Pics to follow.[​IMG]
     
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  3. durleo

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    Well for starters - 3m is a bit high for light to penetrate if you want corals - Check out Bob the builders tank build and Robs 10ton tank for some ideas. Your gonna need extremely thick glass and seal that room with a 2 part epoxy waterproofing. I dont know if the foundation will need re-inforcing aswell - check with Sean Koekemoer - he might be able to help on the building side and slab needed.
     
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    Can you perhaps add a skylight like Bobs tank?
     
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    It might upset you, what I'm going to write now and maybe I'm wrong, but it seems you didn't do any homework about what you are planning to do.
    As a marine newbie, you don't start with a tank like that. Especially not as a DIY project.
    The following infos are just out of my feeling. The frontpane 2x3m will be 100mm thick, will cost you as much as a good used BMW and will be roughly 1500 kg in weight. Your walls and your foundation will not handle the weight and pressure of the water column. Your running costs will be easily R 5000 per month and your total costs will be something between 300 and 500 thousand Rand.
    Are you still want to go that way?
     
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    Welcome.
     
  7. chas84

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    If you can plan and execute everything properly and budget for a very nice aquascape and all the monthly maintenance, this will be an awesome project!
     
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    i think to say that you have not planned anything is a bit harsh as i feel that is exactly what you are doing now. are you planing to make the whole room one big tank ,or do you want to put tanks into it? what i propose is that you put one big tank, perhaps 2m by 1m by 1m and have a door on the side to go in and you could use the rest of the space for sump, lighting' skimmers, chiller or whatever els you may want to use on your tank. not all of these things are an absolute must but just nice to have. personaly i prefer a 1.5 tank. but i would say go for as big a tank as what you think you could handle. in my opinion most reafers start with a smaller tank and then constantly upgrade to to bigger and bigger tanks. do it the way you want it fist time. have a look at my thread dv8's l8est - Marine Aquariums of South Africa if you want some ideas on this kind of a plan, i'll be posting more pics soon.
     
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    I saw his post in Bob's thread, asking what glass thickness should be used for a tank 2.1x2x3m heigh!

    Sorry to say that, but it seems this thread will come to an end soon.
     
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    What about building an "l-shaped" tank? Will give you the appearance of one very large tank?

    Have a look here for some ideas:
    Tenecor aquarium - L-Shape
     
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    At least he's researching and exploring the idea AND ASKING QUESTIONS. Be more encouraging to new members - if his idea to too way out, rather give him BETTER ideas instead of just discouraging him and "dissing" his ideas.
     
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    agreed, rob asked how think he should make his glass research is the best thing
     
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    Leon,
    Obviously out of the previous post you cannot convert the full room into a tank, top to bottom and in exess of 2m deep. Just too much. Tank 2m wide.

    Well, a NORMAL in wall display tank 600mm to 700mm high will look stunning. Say 600- to 1m deep (front to back).
    On a stand, with all filtration stuff underneath.

    And if you can change the window on the LEFT, that window can be converted to a door. And you can access the back of the tank from that door. Then you have your very own engine room. It will be 1m wide or slightly more.

    There are a few in wall designed tanks in this forum. Xtreme is busy doing one.
    The Picture Tank - Marine Aquariums of South Africa

    And there is Amalick
    Ashraf's window into the reef - Page 28 - Marine Aquariums of South Africa
    Yours will / could look like his.

    Cost of this project will be reasonable, and running cost exactly the same as other 2m tanks. And if you can use skylights, then you can even safe on some lightning needs.
     
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    How can I be encouraging to a newbie who wants to start with a tank like that?
    If he has got the cash for such project, he should ask a specialist for a quote and not asking here on MASA. Nobody starts with a tank that size unless a specialist does the installation and maintenance. But then there is no need to ask here on MASA.
     
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    those threads are quite usefull, i'm planning something similer.
     
  16. Leon Clifford

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    Hey all.
    Thanks for all the ideas. This is the reason why i'm asking for help. Its a good idee to start with smaller tanks and i most probely will i'm just starting to think about the different options. As for my homework i ALLWAYS do my homework.:razz:
    Thanks again keep you posted.
     
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    welcome.. enjoy the planning stage and you can never do enough research. Be careful of useless advice and dont make costly mistakes. ALL GOOD THINGS TAKE TIME and trust me you will enjoy the results for a lifetime. NO pain NO gain.. All the best:thumbup:
     
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    For training, get yourself a secondhand tank. 1.2 to 1.5 in size. Nothing bigger.

    There is one in the for sale forum, with some goodies added. Tank OK, Cabinet looks ok, but needs a better sump. Start there, and learn the ropes. Or look around, you can pick up a bargain somewhere.

    There are a lot to learn, and you will realize what works for you, and what not. At least then you will not make stupid mistakes when it comes to the real conversion of this hole in the wall to a tank.

    Where in Pretoria are you?
     
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    good advice riaan, get a 1.2m tank and use it to make the newbie mistakes on while your planning your monster tank.
     
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  20. Leon Clifford

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    I'm just outside pretoria on a farm towards delmas. Thanks for the advice. I'll look around and see what i can find. Where abouts are u?
     
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    I used to me in Moreleta Park. Now Centurion - Rooihuiskraal North.
     
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