Herbtana/artemiss and skimming

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  1. Ivyalt

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    Guys I am strugling and need help please!

    I have a 6 ft tank that has been running for 3 months now. I am now at long last fully stocked with all livestock that I wanted.

    Have a couple of pollyps and mushrooms.

    Adding new fish I hit some white spot especially on my blue tang.

    My purple tang,chocolate tang and moorish idol are showing signs.

    I have been doing 10% water changes every week.

    So I have started feeding with garlic and vitamins twice daily to boost imune.

    I have started herbtana and artemiss treatment on friday.12 hours appart as per instructions.

    I am leaving my skimmers of for 2 hours after treatment and then back on.

    My problem is that it feels counter productive. I can not skim properly even after 2 hours. Its all over te place! Getting good results from treatment.

    My pollyps are not opening properly as of this morning and they are definately effected after 4 days treatment.

    What do I do?Must I stick to it and do more water changes and finnish the 10 days or?
    Worried about my nitrates and pollyps.Currently nitrates at 10. But without proper skimming who knows after 10 days. I dont want it to snowball out of control.

    I can not use the other better methods known for the white spot. I do not want to catch the fish and screw up my tank.(I know I will probably get nailed by saying this)

    How did you guys do it when usingthis treatment?

    Berlin system.
    850 liters.
    Dsb in sump
    2 skimmers ts2 and ts1
    70 kg lr
    6 x t5 lights 8 hours on
    23 times water flow seio and un sun
    Ph 8.4
    Nitrates 10 ppm
    Temp 26 deg

    Much appreciated thanks
     
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  3. Seabass

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    Thing is the instructions say skimmer off for 10 days, so do it. I have used it and left skimmer off for 10 days. IMO your nitrates are fine. Skimmer does go mad when I turn it back on, so just check it often till you know it has settled again. Best to turn skimmer back on when you have a couple of hours to monitor the skimmer.
     
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    Agree, also have done the 10day program without a skimmer, all was fine, you may want to do a water change after day 5.
     
  5. Ivyalt

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    Iits in sump skimmers so its not the end of the world if it boils over so to speak.

    My pollyps not opening?

    Will the corrals be affected a little bit and settle after the treatment?

    Thanks
     
  6. Ivyalt

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    I undestand that I could skim the good stuff out though.

    I will switch them off till day 10.

    Worried about my pollyps not opening.

    Will do a 10% change on day 5. Makes sense.
     
  7. HenkHugo

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    @Ivyalt - what they guys are saying is correct. If you are worried about organic buildup in the system you can add some Special Blend. It will eat the organic waste in the tank.
     
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    Just continue with the treatment, it does take time to have an effect. i am sure the polyps will be just fine. We have all gone through similar things but remember that anything in Marines takes time. Goodluck.
     
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    don't wast ur time with herbtana it does not work
     
  10. brentch

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    It worked for me... I'm not trying to punt the stuff, I couldn't care less, but in my tank I initially had problems with snails being negatively affected by herbtana. I halved the recommended dose and ran it like that for 4 days, afterwhich I dosed 1 capfull every day for about 2 weeks (I mirrored this dosing schedule with artemiss, 12 hours apart). The snails were okay after I reduced the dose. The visible signs of WS were gone in 2 days. I haven't had a problem with WS since. I'm not saying it will work like this every time, but it did seem to work well in my tank. I started dosing as soon as I saw the WS though, which may have aided in the fast action.
    If you don't come right with this, try the bucket method, although it is labour intensive but seems to work the best, or Metronidazole from seachem (I've heard this stuff is awesome).

    Good luck!!!
     
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    Same experience on my side, worked. Definitely not a miracle cure, but improve the chances of recovery and is reef save.
     
  12. Lord_Blackadder

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    Well here are my thoughts on the matter from another thread:

    Adding insult to injury you're forced to go skimmerless while using it. Unless you have a very low stocked tank or a specialised system like a macroalgae tank, going skimmerless is generally a bad idea.
     
  13. mytank

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    @lord blackadder I agree. How many people are we seeing on the form struggling whilst using it, claiming it works only to come back a week later......

    I get passionate about this as I lost two of my fav fish around this which lead me to my @nal retentive nature and research.

    You have the copper and bucket method basically for WS, choose your poison and save your fish.

    Agree with turning a skimmer off .... You can't go 10 days with a high fish load with no skimmer. The water quality is important for the fish recovery.
     
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    I agree with going skimmerless, if the system is running with a bioload and no skimming the water quality will go down and then add more stress to the livestock. Stress being the biggest contributor to WS.
     
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    Prefer hyposalinity to the bucket method because it's safer and less stressful to the fish, but both work. Cupramine is very reliable too.
     
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    I prefer copper - just because I learnt how to work with it. Its not for the faint hearted.

    Hypo is a good choice but also very specific, have to keep it at 1010 if I am correct?
    @RiaanP does the bucket method really well.

    And as always I would be no where without the guys like @Nemos Janitor (always takes the time to answer my calls and take me through things) @Achilles - wealth of knowledge @RiaanP - swiss army knife and @magman :)
     
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    That and skepticism are good qualities to have;)
     
  18. Lord_Blackadder

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    1.008-1.009. It's easy to keep it there, you just need to keep the water level topped up every day. Makes water changes a lot cheaper too because you're using 1/3 of the salt.

    There is almost no stress to the fish because they're not being moved around and you can keep them at hypo for a long period of time with no ill effects. I've had most of my catches from this season in hypo for about 4 months now. Just about done with raising it back to 0.025.

    There is also a nice side effect...it makes juvenile fish grow faster because they're expending less energy on osmoregulation and can put it into growth instead.
     
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    Indeed, I just don't want guys to loose fish that's all. Its a ball ache and sucks.
     
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    @lord blackadder - thank you, that makes sense!!

    Last time I tried to do a fresh water dip on my fish (ph and temp were same as the tank) the fish (a copper band in this case) started swimming upside down.....

    Just a bit scared ;)
     
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    All you guys that know me know that I do not like herbal products due to previous BAD experiences!!

    So when Microbe-lift (Henk) asked me to test it I was not keen at all. So after loads of nagging We have tested these 2 products in 1 (one only - to afraid to do more :) ) our aquariums (definitely sceptical when we started!!!!)

    BUT

    Results speak louder than words and the results are GREAT.

    Now we use it in all our aquariums, especialy even when we land new stock and our losses after landing came down even MORE. It is absolutely magic to come into the shop in the morning after we landed 400+ fish the previous day and have no casualty's over night!!!:yeahdude:

    I was so impressed I stock the whole Microbe-lift range now and I am going to stock my stand at the show with their products!!

    Henk, thank you for your persistence:1: in convincing me and then sending Allen to train the staff!!:yeahdude:
     
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