Hello - advice please

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  1. Warr7207

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    Really cool and interesting forum.

    Please can I get some advice:

    Space available - 1500 x 500mm (w x d) - freestanding tank

    i would like to eventually have a reef system

    Budget - R 12K for tank, skimmer, powerheads, lights and live rock, basically everything except the fish and inverts.

    I have no idea what gear (make or model) I should be looking for ?

    Who are the Petshops to be trusted in Joburg ? (it shoulds like most are no good with marine aquariums)

    If someone could give me advice on what would be a good starter system, or maybe I have insufficent budget ?

    I have been reading up information over the holidays and understand the 3-4 weeks cycling etc.

    Thanks in advance
     
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    irie ivan MASA Contributor

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    Welcome to our forum. Nice to have anoher insomniac on board, it gets really lonely here thids time of the morning.
     
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    Playing poker and doing some homework. Best time to get this done. All the kids are asleep
     
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    Morning and welcome to MASA Warr, yeah insomnia can be a good thing here.

    Right to determine what you would need we would have to have an indication of what you would like to keep.

    Here is a picture of a basic setup and what you might need

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    sleeping is for the dead:p

    irie we are not alone dude...
     
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    Possible Equipment list

    Tank 1.5 x 70 wide (trust me the extra width will be worth it) x 60
    sump, as big as you can make it

    Lights = 2 150w MH with T5 actinic supplement/T5 lighting
    "powerheads" = 4 x SEIO m1100 or 4 by boyu wavemakers
    Skimmer = Reeftek TS2 or TS3
    Heater
    Return pump
    R/O unit for topping up and making salt mix


    Salt mix
    Aragonite for substrate and dsb or playsand
    Live Rock or bio rock (personally i would mix)


    That should be about the basics you could get away with

    try our sponsors in the sponsors forum guys like Andrew from Eco Aquatics has great prices and the service and advice is top notch
     
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    Thanks Irie Ivan. Great info.

    Thanks for the graphic this really helps.

    Couple of questions:

    Who are the site sponsors - Northlands, Aquality ?

    When you say 1.3 long - Is this top to bottom ?

    I don't understand the stand bed in the sump ?

    How do I distinguish liverock quality ? If any

    Thanks again, I will send you guys loads of questions before I start purchasing.
     
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    Kanga Retired Moderator MASA Contributor

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    Northlands, aquality and Eco Aquatics are all site sponsors and will ship to you and generally it would still work out cheaper
    Irrie means length from side to side

    Read this it should help

    Your best bet now would be to buy it from a reputable dealer like on of the above sponsors

    researching would be the best investment you could make:thumbup:
     
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    What is a nano tank ? really small ??
     
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    Kanga Retired Moderator MASA Contributor

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    generally a tank under 120litres is considered a nano, although the initial set up might be cheaper it often works out more expensive by volume.

    The problem is that they are often more difficult to keep and run and water parameters etc could be less stable, as a beginner the bigger the better
     
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    but i see you just posted there.

    Length, i.e from left to right, width is how wide from front to back and height is from top to bottom. Sorry i might have sounded unclear before. Go for a tank which is about 1.3 meter wide, x 0.5meter high and as wide as you can go.

    A sump is a smaller tank below your tank housing most of your filtration equipment. Personally i prefer to have a deep sand bed in the sump (as in Kanga's sketch)

    Not so easy. Take a look at the conditions it is kept in, ask how long it has been cured for (minimum 3 weeks), and smell it. It should smell like fresh seawater, not sulphur or decaying material. Do not judge liverock by the amount of life forms (sponges, green algae) on it , as this is generally a sign of freshly imported liverock, and most of the stuff will die and foul your system. Also lift the rock in the water and see how much "dust" comes off it and out of it. Choosing the rock with the least amount of crap in will save you headaches in the long run. Try and get a good mix of liverock from different locations, such as Kenyan (usually very porous and more often than not boulder shaped, (Try and select interesting shapes instead of the boulders), Fiji, Tonga, malaysian, usually more dense, but has the best shapes for aquascaping.For a good lesson on liverock phone Liaquat from Aquality, in fact call him right now and tell him to stop dosing off!

    You learn fast
     
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    You can ship it, most comes from Kenya, Fiji or Malaysia so shipping is par for the course and although you will have some die off if shipped its nothing to be concerned about.
     
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    Thanks, I am looking forward to my first shop investigations later today
     
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    Once I have the tank, skimmer liverock and sump (with DSB). I need to run the system as described in Hennie's reefmanics.com article. How do I do the testing. Some sort of test kit form the sponsors ? If so what is it named ?
     
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    Beware the BioBalls and T8's are not good enough for a reef:p

    You get test kit, yip the sponsors should have

    to start I would get Nitrate, Nitrite, Phosphate test kits
     
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    It talks about "
    Life in the DSB

    A DSB cannot work if only consists of substrate. We need animals to constantly disturb the top layer of the sand bed. This is achieved by various types of digging worms, small crustaceans, tiny brittle stars and small crabs and snails. Although some critters will disturb the substrate keeping it churned, it is also important to have a good concentration of scavengers. Scavengers will consume detritus before it can start to rot. Try to avoid aggressive predators in the DSB as it will effectively wipe out your other beneficial life forms. "

    Does this mean I have to have inverts etc, living in the sump ?
     
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    yip tiny little inverts like amphipods, copapods etc its good to seed your dsb with a handfull of sand from a mature/healthy DSB (scrape the top 1 cm off)

    you will be amazed the tiny critters that live in a reef tank, your live rock will help with seeding the dsb as well
     
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    OK, I seem to be getting my head around all this.

    next question: Where do I find info on "making" seawater. I live inland so the Indian ocean is out of the question
     
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