Harlequin Anthius at DeJong

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  1. Nemos Janitor

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    How is that possible?
     
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    Not cool.

    Edit: Oh, and can someone smack Jake Adams around the head for making articles about this stuff? He's been here and someone surely told him that exporting SA fish is poaching.
     
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    Seriously, what is wrong with people? Don't they realise they are destroying the hobby for all of us, including themselves!? :m79::m36::m25::m35:
     
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    Not intending to start a sh!tstorm, we've been there before, but my question is.....
    What is the issue?
    Is it a protected species?
    The fact that it is illegal due to no permits being available? If so, begs the question as to why no such permits are available.... Open it up, companies pay tax, more money for chicken pens...
    Truth is somebody, is going to do it, rather control and regulate the industry.
    Is damage being done to any ecosystem? If so, the hobby as a whole....
    Is The fact that it is publicized an issue, perhaps turning unneeded attention and a possible ban on collection of marine species?
     
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    Well nobody has been able to categorically ascertain (and repeat here any official communication to that effect) that no commercial collecting permits have ever been issued. IF such permit/s have been issued, what process was followed? In the context of other fisheries management programs(e.g squid, linefish, hake etc) how and on what basis were the permits allocated?
     
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    The guy I spoke to at Ezemvelo said there are definitely not permits available to export marine ornamentals. These are obviously poached.
     
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    Like the kingi, this is a species with an extremely limited natural range. If any ornamental species deserve protection it's probably these two.
     
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    That is 100% correct, what difference is it if it stays in my tank or if i send it overseas (hypothetical guys relax), its probably going to live longer than any one in sa can keep it for!
     
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    Every one keeps fish, regardless if it comes from sa or not its one less fish in the ocean!
     
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    So the tools of modern fisheries management ( stock assessment, quotas , rights allocation etc etc) are of no consequence? Any one should be able to just collect as much as they want without scientific oversight ?
     
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    Because you're not going to collect large numbers again and again for your own tank?
     
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    There is a massive difference between keeping a common Indo-Pacific species with a 20000km range and vast amount of habitat and a species with a 500km range with extremely limited habitat. This why people are allowed to hunt impala but not rhinos. Really not that hard to understand.
     
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    I know from our collection permits you can collect 7 specimens of the same fish a day for our personal tanks.
    But can't sell, swap etc etc..
    I have seen these Anthias diving numerous times and as shoaling fish so you see 100's even 1000's at a time, they are not rare, just live in a small location as @Lord_Blackadder mentions.
    This is also what we think?
    Maybe they occur Mozam etc but just deeper?
     
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    Yeah, it's certainly possible that they're found over a wider range in deeper water, but at the moment it's a very tiny range for a marine fish. The species can very likely take the pressure from private collectors taking a few specimens, but intensive commercial collecting could make a very significant dent to their population. There isn't any research here, so the logical solution is to err on the side of caution.

    Natal wrasse has a very similar range and it carries total protection, for example.
     
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    As far as I know, they are ONLY found of ship-wrecks and now extend down south to the wreck of the Oceanos near Coffee Bay. Not in Mozambique.
     
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    As soon as someone puts a hefty price tags the guys will start poaching them. And all of a sudden those 1000 start disappearing very quickly.
     
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    Whisperings are that a campaign is about to start. "blackfish" style against DeJong.
     
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    You obviously forgot your ECO101 lecture 1 : The law of supply and demand (same reason the Durban guys don't sell 10 gem tangs at a time to JHB guys)

    If we go look at the KZN catches i don't think your tank can hold half the amount of fish you have caught? What happened to the others? Do you return them to the sea?? Wait who cares about that Goldie or butterfly that you caught its an indo pacific fish with a 20000km span.

    Have you thought about the Hawaii Yellow tangs that we all keep, that is pretty much the same thing, Only from Hawaii, but no one thinks twice to purchase one and no one cries for Hawaii?

    If they go to a facility that is prepared to pay top $$ and give them the best care (far better than any collector in sa) then I don't honestly see a problem!

    WRT your Rhino and impala statement you can apply to shoot a rhino they do issue permits!
     
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    That's a fair bit of anger you have there directed at LB.... "

    The Hawaiian yellow tang harvesting and export is fairly tightly controlled by the US government. The bottom line is that they are not poached, whereas these anthias CLEARLY were. Yes, you can get a rhino poaching, I mean hunting permit in SA. But you CANNOT get a harlequin anthias export permit.
     
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