Fragging help

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  1. BrandonH

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    I attempted my first frag last night with some mixed results. First up I tried a finger leather, a colt and Xenia. Using the toothpick and elastic band method I secured 5 frags between them to frag plugs. To my dismay this evening I have come home to three escapees. It seems that they have somehow managed to break their bodies free of the toothpick and it is not as if I stuck the toothpick too close to the base of the coral. Am i doing something wrong? Has anyone else experienced this?
     
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    Lol, yeah, they can do that!!!
    I havent done finger leathers before, but my leather mushrooms has been an espcapee a couple times.
    Nowadays, i use extra thick superglue (cyano acrelate) to glue them to frag plugs & then spray superglue accelerator to the glue & it causes it to litterally cure in about 2 seconds!
    Since using this method, i havent had a single frag coming loose in more than a year.
    You can buy the xtra thick superglue & accelerator at any radio control hobby shop at about 30% of what they cost at petstores for the same thing...
     
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    Thanks I will give that a try.
     
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    This is the superglue accelerator
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    & the extra thick Cyanoacrelate (superglue)
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    The CA costs R27 per bottle & the accelerator about R45-50
     
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    Does this glue not behave like normal superglue and set in water or a bit of steamy breath?
     
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    Go buy yourself a bottle of the accelerator & try it... Can promise you its not the same as steamy breath...;)
    After using it only once, i decided to never glue frags without it, & i haven't made a single frag without it in over a year!

    & yes, Cyano acrelate is the same as normal superglue, but the extra thick just works a lot better than the gel type & it lasts longer as well.
     
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    At last I found a answer to my problem....
    @Visser Thanks
     
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    Pleasure @ccwilke!
    Here is another tip that might help you...
    Sometimes after glueing the frags to the frag plug, the glue would break loose from the surface of the ceramic (ceramic is too smooth), so i started cuting slots into the frag plug with a dremel & diamond blade, & it has truly worked wonders!!!

    Here is a pic of what the frag plug looks like after i cut the grooves!
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    It gives enough rough surface for the superglue to take hold to...

    Just always make sure the part of the frag you want to glue is "touch dry" before glueing.
     
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    I just use normal super glue and allow it to set for a minute outside the water. Pop it back into tank and place in low flow area for a few days. Used normal mosaic tiles turned upside down. Worked like a bomb
     
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    It will definitely work, but the corals has a better chance at a good recovery when the time out of the water is minimalised!

    I have also tried tiles in the past, & it worked well, but it was nearly impossible to glue the tile onto rockwork afterwards. Thats the only reason i switched to ceramic plugs...
     
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    Have not lost a single frag before. One minute out of water doesnt do any harm.
    Agree with not being able to glue tiles afterwards. Would be impossible as its slippery.
    But i had some mosaics lying around and it did the job to atleast attach frags so they dont blow around in frag tank.;)
     
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    Cool! Do you frag a lot @mornewil?
     
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    Have fragged a decent amount and variety. I just packed up recently. Taking a break but will be back soon:thumbup:
     
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    Hi @Visser

    is there any chance you could suggest to us where that glue and accelerator would be sold or please pm me

    thanks
     
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    @Fraser W, whereabouts do you stay?
    All hobbyshops stock extra thick Cyano acrylate & CA accelerator as it is used in building all model aircrafts & boats. If you tell me in which area you stay, i can tell you where the closest HS is...
     
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    Cool, cant wait to see your next tank!!!
     
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    Hey thanks man. Me neither:biggrin:
     
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    @Visser what frag plugs do you use and where do you get them from
     
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    Thanks @Visser learn something each day, here is a pick of my tank 1200x800 and 300 deep I have a shallow reef in the back 200 with a sand bed, i have just found the frags do better if its not 100% clinically clean. Have stars worms crabs ect in the reef also 10 fish or so in the tank.

    How about a pic from you, great getting ideas.

    Fogot to say its -6 this morning and the room my tank is in gets cold so look at the steam from the 25deg water

    fragjune.jpg
     
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