Foxes nano ideas

Discussion in 'Nano Tank advice' started by the fox, 7 Apr 2008.

  1. the fox

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    I wanted an octopus but i have been told that that i need some experience.

    So Im going to get a nano with the help of jason (ocean).

    Its a +- 20liter plywood nano with:
    DSB
    @kgs LR
    Hang on back carbon filter
    Coral frags from jason
    3 bulb 24 watts t5s

    Fish:

    1 false clown or firefish
    1 neon gobi
    1 shrimp

    Please give advice
     
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  3. the fox

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    sorry test post
     
  4. Punk

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    hi there, i think 20l is too little for a beginner, the more water the more stable and easy to keep... just my 2c
     
  5. the fox

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    how much then
     
  6. gaz19

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    100l is what a lot start out with. i would say a standard 4ft. 250l +-
     
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    yeah the biggest you can afford
     
  8. gaboon

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    Trust me, you'll want to upgrade to something 20x that size within 1 month of building a nano. IMO, a waste of money. Search the classifieds here, often people are selling tanks and stuff for a quarter of the price they sell at the LFS. ;)
     
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    Mike Retired Moderator

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    Nanos are considered difficult because, should anything go wrong (such as one of your fish or critters die) then there is very little water to dilute the ammonia spike, so one little thing can be a disaster, so the larger the tank, the more the safety buffer you have. As you have Ocean helping you, it may be a little more straight forward for you to look after a msaller tank than for a new hobbyist starting out on their own.
     
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    yup - i would start with a 4ft tank with a 3ft sump....
     
  11. the fox

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    Look to be honest i don't even what this, just experience for the future.

    But i guess it has to be done but at the moment don't have much money so i can't afford a sump and skimmer.

    I will discus this with my manager (ocean).

    Thanks for the help.
     
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    I am makeing him the tank he is only trying out and we live very close so i can help him any time. The main idea is if he can keep this alive and healthy then he can keep an octopus.

    but please teach him as much as you can,thanks
     
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    well you need a skimmer to be abgle to run a marine tank with any sort of bio-load
     
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    Dohn MASA Contributor

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    Geez, talk about putting you off the idea. But Reality is this is everyones passion, why else would someone spend so much on their Marine tanks.

    To hear you saying you dont really want this is sad....
     
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    look i can get you a jbj skimmer from sams, and i bet you will like it in afew days after haveing it!
     
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    Oceans! sies! dont say such words! you made me spit out my beer when i saw "jbj skimmer" :p

    Theres a FANTASTIC reefocto hang on skimmer. its +- 1k... REALLY worth the money....
     
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    The Fox does not have that money a spat on jbj skimmer is all he can get!
     
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    eish - bye bye nemo
     
  19. viper357

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    Not at all, it is quite possible to run a nano or a normal tank without a skimmer, however you do have to totally understand the system and be wide awake and rather religious with your water changes and other husbandry chores, but it can be done, although not recommended, especially if you are just starting out.

    Fox, go for it dude, you've got plenty guys here to help you along the way. It will be a nice learning experience for you.
     
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    Well Dean I don’t think a 20L tank with no skimmer for a guy that has never kept marines isn’t such a good idea. Yes it can be done but there will have to be VERY strict time frames put on water changes, dosing, etc.

    As Dean said it will be one hell of a learning curve to setup a 20L tank as your 1st marine tank.
     
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    Certainly Possible to keep any system without a skimmer provided you are very religious about your water changes, but 20 L just has no room for anything to go wrong especially as a learning curve. In fact I would strongly suggest trying to go for something bigger and add a skimmer when you have some more money maybe even a 3ft they are about R300 and second hand even cheaper.

    Zookeeper was selling a nice 4 ft + stand for R600 or so (Most prob gone by now)

    This way you can add a skimmer when you have the cash available, bear in mind with an occie you will need a HUGE skimmer

    I honestly think the challenges of a 20L system could end up discouraging you in the end and thats the last thing we want :)
     
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