Flow in predator tank

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  1. LCornelius

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    Hi guys and gals,

    I need to make a choice for flow in my soon to be predator tank.

    I'm concidering the following option:

    Resun Wave Maker 15000A V4
    Flow at 2000/8000/15000 l/h per pump
    Amount of pumps: 2

    Boyu WM3 Wave Maker
    Flow at 4000/5000 l/h per pump
    Amount of pumps: 4

    Do any of you have experience with the resun wave makers?

    What other options would you recommend?

    Tank is 1100 x 1000 x 600
    Here is a pic of the tank that will need flow:

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    lol you drink wine when busy with your tank?
     
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    The most important factor when choosing flow for a tank is that it should keep detritus of the ground and in the flow. For a predator setup this can be far cheaper and less than in a reef tank, as most likely there will be less crevices for the detritus to settle. Also it's cheaper as you can use powerheads in different directions causing different currents and still getting the flow you want.
     
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    Jip, the only way to clean a tank!
     
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    in jhb we spend all our money on our tanks so we drink cool aid, and if we are lucky, maybe a beer :p
     
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    Resun wavers are sooo cool ... Awesome pumps I use 8 of them in my various tanks but try to run the strongest flow for the shortest in the predator tank coz if you looking at like lions they will shy away from strong currents ... and most predators are very docile swimmers as they like to stalk their prey stealthily so very gracefull swimming ....
     
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    OK i am going to be a little difficult here, because the term "predator tank" is used in a loose way far to often. We need to be a little more informed to advise best.

    What, exactly, is your perception of a predator tank?

    1) Orca's, sharks ...
    2) Groupers, Tuna, kuta...
    3) Octopus...
    4) Rays, eels....
    5) Scorpion fish, frog fish, stone fish.....
    6) Snails, Crabs, Mantis shrimp.....
    7) Spanish dancers, Crown of thorns......
    8) Butterflies......
    9) Angelfish.....
    10) Triggers...


    and the list goes on.

    All have very specific requirements in the upkeep and environment. So the term "Predator tank" is often thought of as anything not suitable for a reef setup. So Trigger fish, Flies and Angel fish amongst others fall into this perception of being predator fish because they eat corals. Others because they eat fish etc..

    Hmm... What i am saying is that advice to keep, is dictated by what you would like to keep. IMO predators are very territorial and need a far bigger tank than your proposed tank. You will eventually end up with 2 to 3 dominant fish depending on your choices.

    IME "Predator tanks" are more difficult to get inhabitants harmony and success than reef tanks due to the fact that the occupants are what they are, Predators, and very territorial.
     
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    For sure Orca's and sharks would not fit in the tank :tt2:

    Agree with you on this, the tank will not be a "non-reef safe" tank.

    This is my stock list for now:

    1 Volitan Lionfish.
    1 Radiata Lionfish
    1 Snowflake Eel
    1 Red Leaffish
    1 Blue Throat Trigger
    1 Kole tang
    1 Longnose Hawk Fish

    1 Clown Tang (maybe)
    1 Sohal Tang (maybe)
    1 boxfish (maybe)
    1 Regal Tang (maybe)

    I have given my stock list allot of thought and done a lot of research on the tank mates.

    Here is a link to my main thread on the predator tank:

    Starting a predator tank - Marine Aquariums of South Africa
     
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    Thanks Chika! I can get them at a great price and would love to try them out. So will place a order for 5 of them (3 for pred tank and 2 for my reef tank as additional flow)
     
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    Selection is cool. BUT

    Triggers and tangs dont do that well. Triggers always batter tangs for territory.

    Consider.
    Lion fish, scorpion fish, stone fish, frog fish....
    Small eel species, one that will not eat a wrasse :)
    Triggers are ok but tend to be boring after time.they hide and nest in the rockwork.
    Puffer fish and hover box fish. (careful for MI)
    All the above is rather somber and unexciting. SO,
    For movement include a parrot fish and a wrasse or two.

    I have been asked to break down many a "predator tank" due to disappointment and lack of enthusiasm. Mostly due to disappointment from expectations.

    My advice is to pick a fish (focal point), say a frog fish and then build on creating a habitat for the species. Or a moray eel tank with cleaner shrimp and small reef fish buzzing about. So much more challenging and creative than a net full of what have yous.

    Just some thoughts :thumbup:

    From a flow point of view. Predators consume a vast amount of O2. So flow/O2 exchange is an important consideration.
     
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    Thanks Mr. Janitor :thumbup:

    The focal point of the tank is the Lions, I'm a huge Lion fish fan. So everything will be set up around them.

    Point taken on the parrot and the wrasse or two.
    I understand the boring aspect of a predator tank, that is why I tough of tangs.

    I will run a airstone in the sump for O2, do you agree with me on this?
     
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    Lions and tangs are ok. But only one or two tangs at the most. But this is what one sees housed in a tank when one goes to eat out at one of the local fish restaurants.

    Talking about this is making me excited. I am thinking about the caves where lion fish live with big eye squirrel fish, red blue spotted grouper, pineapple fish and cardinals (all known as flash light fish) and...and...maybe a lobster or peacock mantis..

    Hope i got you thinking. It is so much more rewarding to do something natural and different.


    The decision on what you keep will dictate the flow/circulation.
     
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    Thanks Mr. Janitor,

    Appreciate the input.
     
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    Ok here is a pic of how lion fish live in caves. They are often found in large groups. This pic was taken on my last india trip.

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    Red Grouper hanging uperside down in the same cave.

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    a puffer also.


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    Big eye squiral fish
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    Blue spiny rock lobster
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    Awesome pics NJ
     
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    Great pics, did not even think of adding a lobster to the tank ;)
     
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    Lean , I gave it a try...Triggers gave the poor thing hell, it lost most appendages in the first week :p
     
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    Thank You for the comments on the Pic's

    If you want to give the cave type tank a go, here are some tips you might want to consider.

    Caves can be very dark and LS very difficult to see. So lighting inside the cave is important. This can be achieved by lighting from underneath the tank. What you can do is buy a few cheep LED spots from Builders say a red ,blue and yellow. and by switching at various times of the day create an effect of sunlight entering the cave or moonlight shining in. This should cost less than a T5 globe. Inside this cave a small Circulation pump can be installed to keep detritus out. To stop substrate covering where the light shines through the bottom, silicone a glass barrier/box. Over this box place a few pieces of LR so that the light shines up creating a ray effect. Place these lights/box so that you can get to clean the algae that will grow on the inside of the glass.

    If you are going to keep a blue throat trigger the lobster should be OK. Don't try it with a clown, Picasso, titan, red tooth or any of the other aggressive ones.

    On the outside of the cave you can keep some softies corals like a Kenya tree and some star polyps and an elephant ear or two.

    Just some thoughts.
     
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    Wow great idea Mr. Janitor. I'm getting super excited about the gave idea.
    Think I'm going to build a DIY cave. The lights idea is pure brilliance from you!
    Just to fully understand the light idea: I will place the lights underneath the tank and not inside the tank? The base of the tank is 20mm, so the light should get through.

    The lobster would probably not be such a good idea. The fish list is more important to me.

    Jip, though of having some coral in the tank. Thanks for the tips


    Your thoughts has just inspired me, thank you sir!

    PS. I'm moving all this info into my main Pred thread. There are some excellent tips that can benefit others thinking of starting a pred tank!
     
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