Flesh disintigrating after fragging SPS, why?

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  1. gaboon

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    I fragged a large SPS on Sunday, noticed this morning a few pieces with flesh literally disintigrating, (a mounted frag in display tank and about 4 pieces in frag tank).

    Why is this?
     
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  3. Mekaeel

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    Howzit Gaboon?
    How long did you have the coral before fragging it? What glue did you use? Is it possible to post a pic?
     
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    this happened to me a month back as well...out of 6 pieces, including the the original two made it.

    I think I had the coral too long out the water. I would imagine most corals are very easy to "cut and paste" while others not. In the past, did u ever frag the same type before?
     
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    Mek, have had the coral for 6 months, frags came off a large colony.
    I used quickset putty.

    Adee, mine were probably out of water for about 5 minutes, was that too long?

    I accidently broke a piece off a few months ago and just stuck it in a whole and its flourishing (never came out the water)

    Sorry, no pics but you can actually see the skin hanging off the frags
     
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    I think 5mins is a little too long... I normally try and use some tank water in a bucket so that I can have the coral submerged for as long as possible. Cut the frag and place it back in the bucket. Glue it to some LR, try and get it dry as quickly as possible and then place it back in the bucket. The frags are not out of the water for longer than 10 seconds.
     
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    Sh!t, I hope I don't lose to many
     
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    Thanks dude, Adee, I think you hit the nail on the head! Dammit... Hate it when its user error.
     
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    Well i tried to frag my frogspawn,took it out the water broke off one branch with 2 heads.Placed it on a tile with elastic band and some glue.1 head lasted 4 days,the other lasted just over a week.
    whats the art of fraggin?
     
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    Live and learn dude...some are just finicky. the longest I had a coral out was about half an hour and that that was seemingly unaffected.

    touch wood...I have about 6 species of SPS that are half exposed, when I siphon off water for a water change, seemingly they dont seem affected....I do switch off my lights though.
     
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    checked out some vids on youtube and the okes just frag like ther no worried,breaking thing off with ther hands,just chopping the coral up
     
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    Dude, five minutes is not long at all for SPS. During power failures, I had my corals exposed up to 4 hours and they were fine. It has something to do with stress, I honestly dont know hey......
     
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    Thanks for the feedback, the large colony all the frags came from has started to lose tissue. I've put it in the frag tank. Could this spread to other colonies? Could it have been from too much stress from cutting ±10 frags off?
     
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    The award for hardiness has to go to zoa's. My one frag tank cracked and when I replaced it I put the old one outside in the middle of winter with a little bit of water in it. I didn't even notice that I left some zoa's in the old tank. Well needless to say I found them three weeks later fully opened basking in the sun, they are still alive today.
     
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    Back to your question. The tissue that comes off can infect other sps if the loose tissue comes into contact with other sps colonies.
     
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    I lost a huge colony of millepora a few weeks back, Fast tissue Necrosis just set in and could not be stopped. I fragged the mother to try and save some, but within hours the frags also had a bad case of FTN

    Lost a few corals like this, check your Alk, generally that can be a culprit. Low alk + stress = HKGK
     
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    what tools did you use for fragging? have you used them foranything else before.?
     
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    Alkalinity is stable at around 9. I use these wire cutters from builders warehouse About R90. They are stainless steel and I thoroughly wash them after use to prevent rust. Have used them before.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Ideal tool to cut. Im still contemplating what could be the cause????
     
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    Mek, I still dont know why I lost a 25cm A. Mille colony, all params were good at that stage, but BAM, it just went
     
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