Fish pedicures??

Discussion in 'Marine Fish Discussions' started by Mewik, 27 Mar 2012.

  1. Mewik

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    Not sure if this belongs under the general or fish category, as it relates to FW fish, mods please move accordingly if it's in the wrong place.

    I was having a think about this whole practice today and surely these beauty salons do not have any fish keeping experience and probably do not care about the well being of the fish being used in the long run, which should be classed as animal abuse? If somehow it is not classed as animal abuse due to some odd commercial laws or fish are not covered as animals then all the places offering these services would require some sort of aqua culture permits as they are profiting off of fish which they pretty much intend to discard of in the long or short term?

    I know I might sound a bit like a moaning old bag here but personally I find the abuse/exploitation of living creatures immoral and rather unethical. I see it has been banned in the States, mostly due to health reasons, so there clearly are a lot of issues surrounding the whole practice in general? I also find it sad that a fish breeder has the book thrown at him while these places must be breaking a ton of laws and are definitely falling into some sort of aquaculture area.

    Just wondering what everyone else's thoughts on the whole practice are?? As I said I think it's disgusting but maybe that is just me. :mad:
     
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    They only seem to be in those Thai massage places. What you must do is pretend to go and book for a group of friends prepared to spend thousands, then "accidently" spot the fish and freak out, citing cruelty to animals and cancel the booking. Maybe that will force their hands if they see they're losing business
     
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    The problem is its now spreading all over the place and promoted on groupon and other sites. I have no idea where these fish come from and where they go after they are used. I saw it on tv once and the basically rocked up with a bag of fish and a bucket, the fish were then dumped into the bucket. So there's no checking of the water, heating etc.

    I would assume the fish are disposed of afterwards, if they aren't then the correct health and safety procedures are not being followed as there is some law that states all equipment used for such things needs to be sanitised after each use or disposed of and replaced. The fish don't exactly eat all the skin so there loads of mank fungi and potentially hepatitis infected skin left floating around afterwards. Siff

    I see PETA started going all, well as they do, on them in the US. Crazy animal folks they are, good crazy haha.
     
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    And also if they are being discarded of after each use I would imagine throwing live fish down a drain violates a few environmental laws as they will most likely survive and can enter local waterways and so on.

    I think I saw that the only humane and spca approved way to kill fish is using some chemical to put them to sleep then another to deplete the water of oxygen. I doubt that's happening as well.
     
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    Really!? You kidding right??? How many fish/ corals have you killed in your life time???
     
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    Um exactly 0 for profit? Inhumanely, also 0. You missed it didn't you? the point that is. Its ok its early so you're forgiven.
     
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    @finrott

    i think its a little different, we take marine ornamentals with the intention of looking after them, paying good money to try and keep them alive when they have sometimes traveled thousands of kilometers and have a 50/50 survival rate..

    this practice (admitedly still not 100% clear on the ins and outs) seems to make use of fish for human benefit and then (and if so) be discarded?

    i think its important to get all the facts of the matter before we all start pointing fingers and throwing acusations?
     
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    One of our Neighbors was looking to do this a few years ago, fish cost R 2500.00 Each, you need at least 10 of to do what needs to be done.

    Trust me they would be looked after. No-one would want to lose a fish to the value of R 2500.00 nevermind 10 of them.
     
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    i think more fact and less speculation is needed here, before everyone gets hot under the collar only to find these fish live a better life than we do ;)
     
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    Yeah more info is definitely needed. It just looks very dodge to me on the surface and it being banned in the states and that it is currently in the process of being banned in the UK makes me wonder.

    I will hunt around a bit and see what I can find.
     
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    shot, im also interested to know more, i hear that somebody in pE was also starting this up.. R150 for 30 minute treatement?

    my sister actually told me about it because she was in the SPA game a little while ago..

    so curious...
     
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    The Kai Thai Spa in Monte Casino (Fourways) also offer this treatment.

    Prices range from R70.00 for 15 mins, to R280 for 60 mins.

    The treatments are done as public display to "advertise" the service, but I cannot say that it is that popular.

    The link to their site.
    Kai Thai Fish Spa | Kai Thai

    They do promise that they look well after their fishes...:whistling:
     
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    I just had another thought, this is actually mild compared to Bee sting thearapy which is used for arthritis, where the bee loses its life in adminestering the sting during the treatment! so are we not just being a little to concerned as fish are our passion?

    i fully agree that if they "use" an animal it should be well looked after.... and that perhaps some training need be awarded to aclimitization etc of the fish when being introduced into the spa tank...

    Please discuss :)
     
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    I did quite a lot of research on this as "I had a plan"....

    1. The fish themselves (Garra rufa) is actually quite expensive to buy
    2. They are NOT easy to keep (not for the novice) , water quality is very important
    3. There are people on the net selling "kits" to unknowing public / spa owners and the like
    4. They actually only feed on skin due to a shortage in their natuaral food
    5. They can actually transmit certain infections / diseases

    Overall I dont see the problem with the treatment etc...I do however share the concern about the welfare of the animals in question. Lets be honest now...the average spa owner might have a very limited knowledge of fish keeping. (apologies if i am generalizing)

    So yes , maybe there should be some regulating....but as with all similar setups (take Talapia breeding as an example), nothing will be done until it becomes a problem !

    My 2C
     
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    As far as I am aware the bee sting therapy falls under some kind of medical umbrella. I don't think insects are covered as animals as well. I see its been proven to be beneficial via proper research etc.

    Research into fish nibbling shows that it can transmit disease etc, also its not as sanitary as using a bee once.

    But yeah I definitely feel more for the fish due to my passion for them, but I'm sure some apiarist out there is pulling his hair out over bee sting therapy lol.....can't believe I got to use that word!
     
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    Take away the justification and ask yourself? is it humaine to Kill something? agreed its lifespan is limited in comparision but no less significant..

    thats my point..
     
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    Those fish are exploited for their ability to eat dead and diseased skin of human feet. So for human benefit.

    Same way we exploit chickens, cows, sheep, pigs.....

    So, must we all become vegetarian?

    So yeah, now we care about fish and their health in the hands of novices? But how many fish and corals died in our own tanks, we who see ourselves as more inform aquaria keepers?

    What's next? Ban goldfish for kids? Ban docking of dogs tails (oh that's been done). Ban Pet shops selling live animals... Like in the USA.

    Just check that any rule or laws passed to ban the keeping of those fish do not bite us in the back in the future. These rules tend to expand. Look at the anti-smoking laws. First, in separate room in restaurant. Now no room. Go outside smoker. Then not within 10 meters of the door. Next up, not within 50 meters? And I'm not a smoker, I just find these rules to govern people behaviour very stupid.

    Did you know that by law all vehicles must have a triangle in them. As from around 2004/5. And you can be fined for it. Next up, all cars must have a road flare in the cabby hole, as already in place in certain European counties (Italy for example) And those glow in the dark vests... The Italian cops loves to pull over the German cars and ticket them for not carrying a vest.

    My point? Just rules making more rules, making more rules and at the end, just idiocracy. I do not want a road flare available inside a car where a kid can get to it. That is bloody stupid.
     
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    The fish are not that expensive. About R40.00 each. I know of a few privert systems in SA.

    [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_fish"]Doctor fish - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
     
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    Well bees are different as insects are cephalized creatures and therefore do not have a conscious or the ability to make decisions.

    I think regulation & guidelines etc are needed rather than law enforcement. If the fish are generally well looked after then I see no problem with it I guess. I have no problem with animals being used/exploited to some extent provided that they are catering for correctly while they are alive. Which is pretty much the stand point of the SPCA here and abroad.

    Again if they are looked after in an acceptable way I will change my views.
     
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