Fish names and LFS's

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  1. dallasg

    dallasg Moderator MASA Contributor

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    So here is something that gets my knickers in a bunch...

    why do LFS's sell fishes with the wrong names? who cares what is on the order list or pricelist, or what the supplier said it is, surely they all have a copy of the below.

    A PocketExpert Guide to Marine Fishes: 500+ Essential-To-Know Aquarium Species
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    Is it really so hard to sell a fish under the correct name to people who you want to stay loyal? :whistling:
     
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  3. dallasg

    dallasg Thread Starter Moderator MASA Contributor

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    ps. dont get me started on coral names

    Aquarium Corals by Eric Borneman
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    Have seen that a few times before - and then you get okes that's not on this site (like I encountered the other day) who firmly believes he has an "x" specimen, when it is in fact a "y". Makes it difficult for them, cause if I'm not sure about the care and compatibility of a fish, I google it right there in the store, but these uninformed guys will then google the wrong fish...
     
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    Pity that book is so expensive, would love to have one, but it's about R600 at kalahari
     
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    dallasg Thread Starter Moderator MASA Contributor

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    i have seen Scopas Tangs sold as black tangs :lol:
     
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    dallasg Thread Starter Moderator MASA Contributor

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    best book i bought, i own both of the books mentioned and love them

    i got them both from Amazon for less than R600 for both
    [ame="http://www.amazon.com/PocketExpert-Guide-Marine-Fishes-Essential-/dp/1890087386/ref=asap_B001K7TWSI?ie=UTF8"]A PocketExpert Guide to Marine Fishes: 500+ Essential-To-Know Aquarium Species: Scott W. Michael: 9781890087388: Amazon.com: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51P594hxEzL.@@AMEPARAM@@51P594hxEzL[/ame]
     
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    Will have a look, thanx bud
     
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    Annoys me just as much when suppliers have a scientific name, but it's one that changed 20-30 years ago (ie. Radianthus malu for Macrodactyla doreensis). And then they go and use the same scientific name for about 5 species (sometimes on the same list). I can only assume that the suppliers have an ancient crappy book lying around with half the species they need in it and then just try to make everything fit.

    Once walked out of an LFS when they had a Bicolor angel on their list for R220 and then started to ring me up for a R450 Oriole angel. They didn't believe me when I told them it was a different common name for the same fish.

    Use scientific names, and use up to date literature. Saves people a lot of trouble and results in fewer dead fish.
     
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    Not as much eye candy, but 2100 species vs 500 (and it's cheaper):

    [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Coral-Reef-Fishes-Indo-Pacific-Caribbean/dp/0691089957"]Coral Reef Fishes: Indo-Pacific and Caribbean: Ewald Lieske, Robert Myers: 9780691089959: Amazon.com: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51S3KfYNJIL.@@AMEPARAM@@51S3KfYNJIL[/ame]

    Really not much that isn't in there and the illustrations are good.
     
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    @Lord_Blackadder you should start a business, lfs should employ you to id fish. I'm sure that there is no fish that you don't know.
    I agree with you that scientific names should be provided.
     
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    If you gonna shell out the price for a black Tang and you get a Scopas...shame on you for not doing the research.....before I spend R15K on a single fish im gonna read,read and then read some more...:m12:
    Never assume the guy selling the fish knows more than you..
     
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    Dude that's what I do before I spend 300 bucks, nevermind 15k :m14:
     
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    I know it's old but this is my guide to marine fish
     
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    Good book.
     
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    I bought that book on Amazon for R150 on my kindle
     
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    The problem with nomenclature, is that things are always reclassified, the only way to keep up is to keep on studying, their is a vast amount of info out there and instead of getting annoyed we should rather HELP each other. I know all the biologists and taxonomist would agree, THINGS CHANGE NAMES, be it scientific or common. No one is perfect, no one knows everything. Guaranteed all the books listed above will be obsolete in twenty years time. I rely so much on my fellow reefer for help, Dalllas has a vast amount of knowledge and I am always enquriing when he comes visit, he does the same with me. I use other reefers too, we are a community, not a competition of who knows best!
     
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    Which Kindle do you have.

    Kindle fire?
     
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    The names don't change that often anymore. The only common cause for name changes these days is reclassification from genetic research. In my 20 year old Smiths Sea Fishes I've only noticed about a dozen changes in the thousands of species it has.
     
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