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  1. Dillan

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    Klipvis. Coldwater.
     
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    ok i have it the last pic is a nose stripe klipvis but are they all the same?
     
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    Those are all wrasses. I don't have my South Africa Marine fish books here, but I can guarantee you that they are wrasses. Beautiful specimens as well. The first one MIGHT be a variegated wrasse. Very common in KZN waters.

    Please put the fish in a glass tank and take pics? This would make ID'ing the fish a LOT easier?

    Many thanks.
     
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    It's the northern end of the range though. I've had no luck with even KZN specimens at tropical temps.
     
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    Wanna bet? :p

    You're probably thinking of Stethojulis. These look completely different. Look at the shape of the head and the body length.
     
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    Nope Lord Blackadder :) I don't bet. But I SCUBA dive, have live on the coast for a VERY long part of my life, wild caught MANY blennies a.k.a Klipvis (as well as wrasses)... ;)

    Ie.
    Super Klipvis:[​IMG]

    These are all juvenile forms of Labridae - whereas Klipvis is from the Clinidae species. Of which only the Silverbubble klipfish (Blennioclinus stella), Oldman klipfish (Clinus woodi), Nosestripe klipfish (Muraenoclinus dorsalis), Grass klipfish (Pavoclinus graminis), Rippled klipfish (Pavoclinus laurentii) and Bearded klipfish (Pavoclinus mentalis) be caught in KZN waters.

    The body shape of the Clinidae species MOSTLY have tassels hanging (for feeding) around the facial area.

    Whereas wrasses (Labridae) are mostly scavengers, open water hunters, or live off parasites on host fish (ie the cleaner wrasse).

    The body shapes of all these fish in the pictures (that I can make out - without them being in water), are all torpedo shaped like the cleaner wrasse, and juvenile wrasses that I have seen..... ;)
     
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    Nice copy paste job there @jacquesb. The problem is that @Lord_Blackadder is correct and you should listen to his advice. It is very obviously a clinid, and I can only assume that grabbing the bull by it's udder is a lame trolling attempt (take it from an expert).

    It is due to the inability of members of this forum to accept information from their superiors that I limit my time here.
     
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    Ok so i ask again the 4 very different looking are they all the same klipvis?
     
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    No, there are 41 different species of klipvis found in SA. Of these clinids, the ones you got you probably caught under rocks and are of three or four common species that will disappear and die if you put it in your tank. As Slackbladder said. Here's a list, I'm not gonna waste my time to ID them further as the pictures are bad, and all sharp-nosed clinids have VERY varied colour varieties.


    Scientific Name English Name Distribution Max. Length (cm)
    Blennioclinus brachycephalus Lace klipfish Southeast Atlantic 15 TL
    Blennioclinus stella Silverbubble klipfish Western Indian Ocean and 5 TL
    Blennophis anguillaris Snaky klipfish Southeast Atlantic 30 TL
    Blennophis striatus Striped klipfish Southeast Atlantic 17.5 TL
    Cancelloxus burrelli Slender platanna-klipfish Southeast Atlantic 12 TL
    Cancelloxus elongatus Whiteblotched klipfish Southeast Atlantic 5 TL
    Cancelloxus longior Southeast Atlantic 12.1 SL
    Cirrhibarbis capensis Barbelled klipfish Southeast Atlantic 36 TL
    Climacoporus navalis Fleet klipfish Southeast Atlantic 7 TL
    Clinoporus biporosus Ladder klipfish Southeast Atlantic 13 TL
    Clinus acuminatus Sad klipfish Southeast Atlantic 13 TL
    Clinus agilis Agile klipfish Southeast Atlantic 10 TL
    Clinus arborescens Southwestern Indian Ocean
    Clinus berrisfordi Onrust klipfish Southeast Atlantic 12 TL
    Clinus brevicristatus Cape klipfish Southeast Atlantic 12 TL
    Clinus cottoides Bluntnose klipfish Southeast Atlantic 15 TL
    Clinus helenae Helen's klipfish Southeast Atlantic 10 TL
    Clinus heterodon Westcoast klipfish Southeast Atlantic 13 TL
    Clinus latipennis False Bay klipfish Southeast Atlantic 12 TL
    Clinus nematopterus Chinese klipfish Southeast Atlantic 11 TL
    Clinus robustus Robust klipfish Southeast Atlantic 50 TL
    Clinus rotundifrons Kelp klipfish Southeast Atlantic 5 SL
    Clinus spatulatus Bot River klipfish Southeast Atlantic 17.5 TL
    Clinus superciliosus Southeast Atlantic 30 TL
    Clinus taurus Bull klipfish Southeast Atlantic 23 TL
    Clinus venustris Speckled klipfish Southeast Atlantic 12 TL
    Clinus woodi Oldman klipfish Western Indian Ocean 16 TL
    Fucomimus mus Mousey klipfish Southeast Atlantic 10 TL
    Muraenoclinus dorsalis Nosestripe klipfish Southeast Atlantic 10 TL
    Pavoclinus caeruleopunctatus Southeast Atlantic
    Pavoclinus graminis Grass klipfish Western Indian Ocean 16 TL
    Pavoclinus laurentii Rippled klipfish Western Indian Ocean 13 TL
    Pavoclinus litorafontis Slinky klipfish Southeast Atlantic 21 TL
    Pavoclinus mentalis Bearded klipfish Western Indian Ocean 30 TL
    Pavoclinus myae Mya's klipfish Southeast Atlantic 5 TL
    Pavoclinus pavo Peacock klipfish Southeast Atlantic 15 TL
    Pavoclinus profundus Deepwater klipfish Southeast Atlantic 5 TL
    Pavoclinus smalei Deep-reef klipfish Southeast Atlantic 5.5 TL
    Smithichthys fucorum Leafy klipfish Southeast Atlantic 30 TL
    Xenopoclinus kochi Platanna klipfish Southeast Atlantic 10 TL
    Xenopoclinus leprosus Leprous platanna-klipfish Southeast Atlantic 8 TL
     
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    @Dillan i am going to add a little here. Please do not get discouraged.

    When members read about fellow reefers removing species from the ocean and then taking them home with no idea as to the species caught or how to keep them, then come on MASA and ask for a ID and help in knowledge on how to keep the species, smacks them with irresponsibility. Now i am not saying you are irresponsible, rather very eager and keen.

    We are privileged that we can get collection permits and collect certain species locally for our aquariums. Please research all animals you remove before removing them from their habitat. One must take responsibility for animals removed from our wonderful coast/waters.

    There are many members that collect species from our oceans and rock pools responsibly. All are more than willing to guide and help to put you on the responsible path to great species collecting.
     
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    @nemosjanitor im happy to say nothing i remove can not be returned as i have a local tank so in and out
    Yes i ask for help on an id and in knew one of the 4 above all i wanted to know were they all the same

    so to @richardmatlockthanks for your help

    Cheers
     
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    Local tank in bloem?????:eek:
     
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    all 4 are nose stripe klipfish - Muraenoclinus dorsalis
    these would rarely been seen while diving, but rather by turning over rocks in shallow water.
     
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    OK Richard - thanks for the correction. Please accept my apologies. But - since I have been off the marine scene for a while, and I never knew or met either yourself or "Lord_Blackadder", I would digress by stating that neither of you have proven yourself as experts yet? Or have you? Please PM me your credentials? (ie. degree, books written, etc.)?

    And since these fish are not in water - I would still like to know how anyone can contest anything? How can you ID a fish without clearly seeing all of it's markings, body-shape, tassels, fin-shape, tail-shape, etc?

    But - as I said - won't comment on this thread anymore. Seeing that there are people that are clearly a lot more clever than what I am, with marine biology.
     
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    Hey, please don't, some just think they know everything and are never open for a proper adult discussion, or are having a bad day. :whistling:
     
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