Fish Id Please Please

[seank]

Id on these fish please, and some specs regarding them being reefsafe or not?

Thank you...

And then this one...

 

[Alan]

Awsum fish, i just dont know what they are, never seen them before. Really like the fish in pic no1.

 

[Tridan]

first fish, sailfin leaf fish , Taenionotus triacanthus,
Second fish , six stripe soapfish , Grammistes sexlineatus,
The soap fish is a nocturnal predator so beware, big time,

The sailfin leaffish would mostly enjoy live food as it is part of the scorpion fish family.

I stand corrected on the id of the first fish, but am 99% certian will look for him in one of my books later.

 

[Tridan]

Ok according to Dr. H.R. Axelrod ( Author of Exotic Marine Fishes ) i am right with the id on fish one, but its a old book.

 

[calvin]

sean hav given id on sark! The first is a scorpion and no 2 is a extreemly noxious soap fish capible of wiping out your entire tank over night

 

[seank]

Mike mentioned that the first fish is called a "Frog Fish". It is a small fish and quite flat. But it looks like a leaf. Could this just be another name for it??

Any of these fish reefsafe, as I got them on a reef (just not too sure if tanksafe)???

 

[seank]

sean hav given id on sark! The first is a scorpion and no 2 is a extreemly noxious soap fish capible of wiping out your entire tank over night

You sure Calvin???

 

[calvin]

sean i wouldnt put either of them into your system! that isnt a leaf fish but a venomouse scorpion

 

[calvin]

im pretty sure ive kept many leaf fish and none of them looked like that

 

[Tridan]

http://zipcodezoo.com/Animals/T/Taenianotus_triacanthus.asp
With regards to safety in the system
http://www.seahorse.org/library/articles/tankmates.shtml
Some more info
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/taenionotus.htm

All related to the first fish.

 

[seank]

Family: Scorpaenidae (Scorpionfishes or rockfishes)
, subfamily: Scorpaeninae picture (Tatri_ud.jpg) by Tyler, E.

Order: Scorpaeniformes (scorpionfishes and flatheads) Class: Actinopterygii (ray-finned fishes) FishBase name:Leaf scorpionfishMax. size: 10.0 cm TL (male/unsexed; Ref. 4313)Environment: reef-associated; non-migratory ; depth range 5 - 134 m Climate: tropical; 30°N - 30°SGlobal Importance: aquarium: commercialResilience: Medium, minimum population doubling time 1.4 - 4.4 years (Preliminary K or Fecundity.)Distribution: Indo-Pacific: East Africa to the Galapagos Islands, north to Ryukyu and Hawaiian islands, south to Australia and the Tuamoto Islands. Diagnosis: Dorsal spines (total): 12-12; Dorsal soft rays (total): 8-11; Anal spines: 3-3; Anal soft rays: 5-6. Tan to reddish or brown in color (Ref. 4313). Has prickly papillae instead of scales. Dorsal fin high, 3rd or 4th spine longest; suborbital ridge without spines or with lump at head of ridge; preopercle with 2 indistinct spines only; body extremely compressed; soft dorsal fin attached to the caudal fin; coloration is variable, from nearly all yellow to red, brown or nearly black and variously mottled with darker pigment (Ref. 10482). Biology: Inhabits reef flats, outer reef slopes, current-swept channels, and rarely on lagoon reefs. Solitary and usually immobile among algae or seagrass but effects hip movements resembling that of a leaf falling down from a tree. Molts twice a month with the skin breaking off first in the head region. Has the habit of mimicking a dead leaf by swaying from side to side (Ref. 37816). Feeds on small crustaceans and fishes (Ref. 9710); also feeds on larvae (Ref. 5503). Venomous spines. Also Ref. 57406 Threatened: Not in IUCN Red List , (Ref. 36508) Dangerous: venomous , Randall, J.E., G.R. Allen and R.C. Steene. 1990 Coordinator: [SIZE=-1]http://fishbase.sinica.edu.tw/Collaborators/CollaboratorSummary.cfm?ID=[/SIZE]Main Ref: Myers, R.F.. 1991. (Ref. 1602)Update | Add

 

[seank]

sean i wouldnt put either of them into your system! that isnt a leaf fish but a venomouse scorpion

Calvin, you half right. It seems to be a Leaf Scorpion Fish

 

[calvin]

well close enough as true leaf fish rent venomouse

 

[neilharris]

Sean,
How did u get the pics of the fish?
Neil

 

[Tridan]

Here is some info on the soap fish dude

http://www.answers.com/topic/sixline-soapfish?cat=technology

A picture of a adult
http://animal-world.com/encyclo/marine/groupers/goldenstripe.php

Hope that helps dude

 

[seank]

Sean,
How did u get the pics of the fish?
Neil

Difficult to take a photo for an Id if fish is swimming inside a Coolerbox.So I put a little water inside a small bowl and put the fish seperately inside just long enough to take a photo.