Estimation of Setup

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  1. bluefronted

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    Hi Guys,

    I'm looking for a rough estimation on a 2000 x 600 x 500mm tank.

    I'm looking at a complete setup up for coral and fish tank. The estimation should exclude corals and fish but should incl all other items tank,frame,skimmers,pumps,lights. I am looking for good quality equipment but no Rolls Royce stuff.

    Chow !
     
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  3. Midasblenny

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    R50000 without any livestock, at least.
    R100000 with liverock, some fish and corals.
     
  4. vatso

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    I want to know the price as well - sounds like the size tank I want
     
  5. Andreas

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    Well it really depends. You could pick up good quality equipment for half the price of new ones.

    A DIY lighting hood could set you back about R3000 instead of the more expensive units . Second hand seio powerheads will work wonders and set you back R300 instead of new prices +-R700.

    Shop around and you could pick up good bargains. I've got a couple of things I'm going to get rid of so PM if you're interested;)
     
  6. Midasblenny

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    Rather go a little deeper as well, 700mm and wider is nice
     
  7. Quintus

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    ada what is that R50000 for the best of the best?
    a 2000mm* 600mm wide * 800 high tank i can get for 3950. i say, to get the tank ready for adding water i.e. tank, stand without cabinit, lights, sump, skimmer and kalkstirrer 25000-30000.
     
  8. Midasblenny

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    Far from it,just being realistic, add to your list, salt, supplements,test kits, RO unit, drums to hold water etc :whistling:
     
  9. maj

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    I would say at the end of the day,your total will come close to the R50k mark.
    That depends if you want all the ad on attachmnts ie all reactors,chiller,halides etc etc
     
  10. Neil H

    Neil H Moderator MASA Contributor

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    i think the cost is directly proportionate to your ablility to do things yourself and your patience ..... i.e. buying frags vs buying colonies ...... frag is small but is on average R100 - R150, colonies of coral can hot the R1000 mark, same with fish .....
     
  11. davidfr7

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    No live stock just a setup reef octo skimmer, lights 250 w MH X 3, DT, sump, return pump and 4 X power heads all this under 20 K. Took me 3 weeks to build oh and the stand.

    Yes you can pay 50 K and 60 K just depends on how much you are willing to spend. Before you spend it give me a PM if you want any advise.
     
  12. Reef Maniac

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    R50 000.00 is pretty cheap - remember, apart from the tank sump and stand, you must allow for a decent skimmer (R8k - R15k), a chiller ((R5k - R10k), RO unit (around R1k), lights (R5k - R10k for 3 x 250W MH's (or more... on this size tank)), a calcium reactor complete with CO2 cylinder and controller (R6k - R12k), a temperature and pH controller (bit extravagant perhaps, but pretty essential for long-term success, IMHO) (R5k - R8k), and some pumps (R6k - R12k)

    You also need to allow for enough live rock - that could easily be 50kg - 100kg on that size tank, and at R100.00/kg that alone would be R5k - R10k.

    So, leaving the "cheapies" such as heaters, sand, thermometer, hydrometer, plumbing, etc. out of the equation you're already standing at around R41 000.00 to R68 000.00 - and that is without salt or test kits...

    You could knock off perhaps 25% of that cost IF you were seriously into DIY
     
  13. jacquesb

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    BlueFronted - here's my response:

    1) tank alone: between R2500 and R5000 (depending on where you buy, the thickness of the glass, and the labour cost of whomever is building the tank)
    2) stand: between R1600 and R2500 (depending on: wood/steel? anti-rust treatment, type of steel (square tubing? what size?), etc)
    3) sump: between R450 and R600 (also depends on the glass thickness, builder's labour rate)
    4) return pump: between R350 and R1000 (depending on brand of return pump)
    5) lighting unit: between R3000 (DIY/2nd hand) and R10000 (specific brand/model) - here you want at least 6 x 39 watts T5's or 2 x 54 watt's T5's and 2 x 39 watt T5's - 3 x 150 watt metal halide, or 3 x 250 watt metal halide)
    6) in tank water movement power-heads: for decent flow (at least 40 times water turnover) - a minimum of 6 x 5000 litre per hour power-heads, or 4 x 10000 litre per hour power heads - or a combination thereof - cost: between R1800 and R4000 (dependant on brand/size/model)
    7) substrate: if you want aragonite @ R40 per KG (you would most likely require at least 30 to 40 kg's for that size tank) = total cost: +-R1200 to R1600 - or Reggie's Playsand @ +-R60 per 20kg bag: +-R120
    You would also want another extra 10 to 20kg's of substrate for a Deep Sand Bed (in your sump) - another R60 (if you choose Reggie's Playsand) or R600 for aragonite..
    8) testing kits: you need at least: ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, kH: cost per test-kit (decent test-kit) R200 to R350 per test-kit (around +-R1600 for all the test-kits)
    9) seeing that you are not on the coast, you would require salt mix: at least +-80 to 100 kg's @ R+-60-R80 per 4/5kg tub (+-R500 to +-R1600)
    10) skimmer: ReefOctopus/ReefTec: +-R6500; Bubble Magus: +-R5500 (for this size tank (new)
    11) (you don't need a Calcium reactor in the beginning) - cost +-R4000 to R6000
    12) chiller: you don't need one in the beginning, but for specific corals later on, you would require one: cost: +-R4000 to R6000
    13) live rock: for that size tank, you require +-80 to 100kg's - of this, you could have about 40kg's actual decent live rock, and the rest can be "Dead rock" (or bio-/fake-rock) - good quality live rock, between R160 to R180 per kg (total of +-R7200) - base-rock at +-R40 per kg (total of +-R2400)
    14) heater: +-R200
    15) RO filtration system: +-R1700

    Absolute total: +-R35000 startup cost, if you want to buy everything at once. Else - do what everyone does - stagger this cost - get the tank, stand, return pump and sump first....
    Then, later on, get the substrate, salt, RO water and live rock/base rock....

    Then - a wee bit later, the lighting unit/s, and skimmer....

    Even later even - the in-tank power-heads and heater.....
     
  14. Reef Maniac

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    Hey Jacques, RTFP (read the f.... post) :wave2:

    So, what's your estimate of the TOTAL cost :whistling:
















    RTFP = Read The First Post, and NOT what you thought :biggrin:
     
  15. maj

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    Damn good breakdown jacque!
    then after all that, add your fish cost,electricity cost and whatever additives you require....
     
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    LOL ReefManiac..... thanks. Me = probably speedreading... ;)
     
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