EBPR Enhanced biological phosphorous removal... How do we make it work...

Discussion in 'Chemical Filtration / Low Nutrient Systems - LNS' started by irie ivan, 12 Sep 2012.

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    A comment by @KillerWhale had me inteigued ever so slightly.... Slightly enough to open google and hopefully a few braincells.... In my head and on masaville...
    At this stage my understanding is pretty much nowhere and i have more questions than answers.
    Anyway, heres what i got so far;
    We have been branding the term redfield ratio about wrt no3 and po4 removal by bacteria in our glass boxes, as if its a good thing... Well it is.... Up to a point....
    I suspect that most hobbyist eventually reach a level where bacterial uptake of po4 is limited, purely due to skewed no3:po4 addition...... And a few years ago we thought the redfield ratio was our friend...:( Anyway, with no3 no longer being a "challenge," we are left with gfh/gfo to take care of po4..... I hate that brown messy stuff!

    In my situation, where no3 is totally undetectable with hobby grade kits, and po4 until recently not wanting to drop until i had a power outage and out of frustration added a touch of gfh and consequently my po4 dropped in 24 hours To totally undetectable on a photometer, and in the orca biocubes thread i think, the term ebpr came up...
    If course, i had to google it, wikipedia for president:
     
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    2% phosphate assimilation pushed up to 5-7%.....
    That really got my attention
     
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    Nice topic, i am sure @KillerWhale can explain, but maybe the secrets of zeo can be revealed haha

    I am going to gather my thoughts on this and reply
     
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    Brightwells xportpo4?
     
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    Nope, doybt whether zeo achieves this and doubt even more on the brifghtwells..
     
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    That product is a simple Ferric Hydroxide in a ceramic matrix...nothing special happening there. The XpotrNo3 is simply sulphur in a cermaic matrix. What happens there is that bacteria are trying to consume the sulphur, but, require oxygen to do so. If they are not able to get Oxygen, they rip the Oxygen from the 3 Oxygens in NO3 leaving behind nitrogen that escapes as a noble gas. That's how that product works

    The companies are going to have me assisinated...I will have to join the witness protection program soon
     
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    EBPR is lovely stuff. A british team of scientists have discovered a new way that incorporates pH to get a 25% removal rate. That is still highly secret and how they do it exactly, I really don't know. I will tell you this, there is a way to solve this problem...it's just finding the path. A great general called Hannibal once said "we either find a way...or we make one..."
     
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    Hannibal hates hight. LOL or was it mr T.

    looks like we have an "A" team
     
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    Yeah and "Murdock" reminds me of the irie.
     
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    Except..... I dont have any buddies to bust me outa here..... But at least they give internet access to derail threads, a garden to grow some greens and a little glass box to put water in...
     
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    who is face ???
     
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    There is a ton more, will post links when I have given up trying to divulge the info.
     
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